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How far could I get in four months?

Well who knows really, I guess i'll only fully know once I do it but it would be interesting to hear how far some of you guys got when you just went hard for a period of time, what are your experiences?

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    8 months ago my blog got 400 organic visits from Google in an entire week.

    ...4 months pass by...

    4 months ago my blog got 3200 organic visits from Google in a week. = 8x increase

    ...4 months pass by...

    last week I got 13000 organic visits from Google = 4x increase

    ...4 months from now...

    who knows?

    How: I write one blog post every day. Google seems to like that, so far.

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      Wow, that is amazing. The traffic and being able to write 1 blog post a day!

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        Thank you, I'm doing this full-time, as I'm investing in growing the platform and reach a point I can have an audience that's interested in what I could produce next (ebooks, courses).

        I've been trying to grow an indie product business from the ground up for 10 years, tried so many things but I always failed to make something stick 😅 now I stumbled on this thing and seems to have a little bit of traction, I hope I can make it work.

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          you don't have any share buttons

          here area couple free ones I've used in the passed:

          https://www.sharethis.com

          http://www.addthis.com

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            I literally removed the Twitter button yesterday, as rarely used and "dilutes" my call to action in the bottom.

            Just an experiment, I might add it back.

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      Thank you for sharing this. It helps me reaffirm that an "overnight success" really means (1) work on it every day, and (2) rinse and repeat for a long period of time!

      As you developed a daily writing habit, were there any particular tips / frameworks / mental models you found useful to help you write better?

      I ask because I'm trying to build a habit to write every day for my project (Medium link for reference)? It's slow, and it's painful, and the words don't come out as clear as I want, but I'm just reminding myself to keep putting in the work every day.

      Anything that you could share about the process you went through to become a better writer would be greatly appreciated.

      Cheers!
      Jonathan

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        Some random thougths:

        More than a daily writing habit, it's a daily publishing habit.

        Some days I don't write, I just do something else, like coding or non-work related. Some days I write 2-3 posts to keep the schedule filled.

        Key to me is having a queue of posts piled up. I know I can't break the chain, and when you have enough posts, you can take a pause and recharge the batteries knowing your content is still being published.

        When I know it's a good day to write I like to get up early, around 6AM, and just sit there and write, by mid morning I have a post done, and it's a huge productivity boost. I can take a small break and tackle another post if I feel inclined.

        I like to remove friction. For example I removed the comments section, so I don't worry about having and managing comments (I get feedback on Twitter and when I share on Reddit). This removes the back-of-mind thought about possible comments on the content I write.

        I like your project. Have you thought about publishing the posts on a bigger publication that already have an audience? My impression is that self-published posts on Medium tend to do poorly.

        I think my accountability buddies are the people that regularly like and retweet my posts on Twitter. I might not know them but I recognize the avatars and names, and I write for them.

        I also get some emails from time to time with nice words thanking me for a post, and it's great. I save each of them in a note.

        Oh and I don't think I'm a good writer at all, also because I'm not a native english speaker, I'm confident I'm improving every post I write (hopefully so).

        When I don't have ideas, I start a simple project and try something new, then I got ideas on what to write about.

        Most good content ideas come when listening to like-minded podcasts. I listen to podcasts while driving and when walking the dog. Sometimes the inspiration strikes and that's when you take notes or do a small voice recording to remember the idea.

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          Thank you for such a detailed reply. With your project, I can tell it's a labor of love. Sounds like you have a great system going to publish everyday, remove friction, and to get new ideas for content.

          Even though I'm not your target audience, I'll still be following along your journey on Twitter because what you are doing is inspiring!

          Re: Tribe of Five
          Thank you for the recommendation to post to publications. I will have to look into how to do that!

          Love to see that you've created an accountability system with your Twitter followers! As far as writing goes, I don't think Tribe of Five would be valuable for you since you have such a finely tuned process already.

          However, I'm sure there are other habits you want to get better at, but it's not part of your routine yet. Maybe it's to read more, or to wake up earlier, or to try out different mental models / frameworks that can help you be more productive and focused.

          And that's where I hope Tribe of Five can really add value for Indie Hackers like you and me...to help us level up on those habits so we can help our projects thrive and grow!

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      Really inspirational. Persistence is key!

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      Well done! Impressing consistency to be able to pull one post per day off for so long. I really like the design. The content seems good as well, but haven't had time to read much yet.

      How many email subscribers have you gotten so far?

      What tools do you use? Do you use a blogging platform?

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        Thanks Joakim! I am around 1000 subscribers. I started about 5 months ago, so I think it's already good. However I stayed at 4-5 subscribers per day until I did a change in my newsletters about 10 days ago. What I changed was, instead of having a boring CTA like "get my posts in your inbox", I started promoting a course I'm going to launch at the end of July. For some reason this seems to "click" more and in the last 10 days I got like 25 subscribers every day 🤷🏼‍♂️

        I use Hugo, a static site generator. I just published a description of my stack: https://flaviocopes.com/stack/

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          That's interesting! Maybe the readers see the course as a value item they wont get access to unless they sign up. Or the value prop (to learn vue.js) is clearer than getting notified about blog posts.

          Thanks for doing the write up about your stack. I use Gatsby for most projects. Tried Hugo once, but didn't really "get" the structure of it.

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      How do you promote your articles?

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        I do 3 things basically:

        1. once a week I post one of the articles on Medium. Not on my personal account, but on a publication (I post them on FreeCodeCamp and HackerNoon). Oh and I import the post in Medium, so it gets the canonical URL that points to my blog (like you can do with IH posts). This helps SEO, as far as I can tell. And since those publications posts get shared a lot, as they have an existing audience, I benefit from that.
        2. sometimes I share the post on a relevant subreddit like /r/webdev or /r/javascript
        3. I share the post on Twitter. I don't have a lot of following but I have a small group of people that seem to like my posts there. I also repurpose old posts regularly.
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          That’s pretty simple..

          Where’s this mysterious indie hackers import feature I keep hearing about?

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            There's no import feat in IH, but you can manually set the canonical URL in the post options

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      Impressive consistency! I write about 80-90% of a draft every day, so I'm 10-20% away from finishing almost 200 articles, but it's hard. What are your book sales like? No actual numbers needed, just ballpark.

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        Cool! Yes it's hard to write, but I think it's even harder to consider a piece "finished" 🙆🏼‍♂️

        Sales are pretty good! Not enough to live off for me, but thankfully I have other digital products I built in the past to support me that still bring home something and help me move forward.

        For an ebook that just sits there and had no launch (since I had no audience to launch to), I can't be happier.

        I'm planning a more organized launch in 2 months for a course, rather than an ebook, which will have a higher perceived value and as such a higher price point. I'm currently looking up at other technical content creators and what they share about their courses.

        Betting on this, and with growing the existing inbound channels with time and more content.

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      How long does that take you to write??

      Link to your blog? Very curious!

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        It depends on the topic! Sometimes I start at 6AM and I finish in the afternoon, if I need to first actually learn the thing from zero.

        Sometimes I manage to write 2-3 posts and I just schedule the posts in the next day. I got up to 3 weeks of content scheduled at one point, now I just have 7 days as I took a few days off.

        Here's the link

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          oh man nice job!!!

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      Did you one per day the whole time, or did you switch to one per day once you got traction?

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        This is kind of casual. I started posting a lot on my blog last summer, when I decided to learn Go. I always learn better in this way, trying to explain something in words. So I did maybe one entire month of posts.

        I then moved on to something else, and in November / December I began realizing those old posts started gaining traction from Google, 100 - 120 visits per day, and in January it was apparent that this natural growth was real.

        So from the end of January I started writing every day, as I never had any traction with anything but this thing seems promising.

        Why every day? I had a bunch of content piled up that was part of another project I was building. So when I decided to double down on the blog, I already had all this content and instead of putting it all at once, I started scheduling one topic per day.

        So I had like 2 weeks of scheduled content and I started writing more, so in the end it gradually stayed this way and grew into a habit.

        At first it was 5 days a week, but I had so much content piled up that I decided to do 6, then why not 7.

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      Nice blog. What stack did you use an where did you host it?

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        Hi Emeka, I just published my stack description: https://flaviocopes.com/stack/. In short, it's a Hugo static site.

        I host it on Netlify, I highly recommend it for static sites.

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          I wanted to ask about how you schedule posts using Hugo but you've already done a great write-up
          https://flaviocopes.com/stack/#whats-my-workflow-for-posting-an-article
          Thanks.

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    Well, I guess I'd be a good candidate to answer this question. I quit my job almost exactly 3 months ago to start my current project.

    In 3 months, I've gone from just an idea and some mockups to a full saas ready to launch. I did most of the coding myself, making several technical decisions in service of expediency: outsourced some of the more time-consuming pixel-perfect type work (https://htmlburger.com) and developed on a Paas that may cost me more in the long-run (https://firebase.google.com). I'm convinced that these decisions allowed me to move faster.

    I've worked about 50 hours a week to get me to where I am now. With a young family and other commitments, I made a decision early-on that I would only work at a sustainable pace. Someone in a different situation might be able to push harder.

    If I was able to go back 3 months, I would have partnered my tech skills with a marketing focused co-founder.

    No, I don't have any revenue yet, but I'm hopeful that will change soon.

    My plans after this 3 month focus time? I'll probably need to get a full-time job or at least some significant contracting work to cover my living expenses while marketing and growing the service.

    In case you're curious, my saas is https://raaft.io and recently launched on betalist: https://betalist.com/startups/raaft

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      The design of your project is really nice, love it! Did you paid a designer for that or did you do it all by yourself?

      Also, I wanted to point out that 50 hours a week is already really high! That's 15 hours more than the French works (I'm French).
      I know it's important to work your ass off, but being entrepreneur is also having the chance to choose when you work best, thus working less longer, and enjoying more of your family time. Don't forget that :)

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        Thanks Cyril,
        The designs were done by a designer who I was working with at my day job. We have an agreement to pay him in equity.
        Looking back at that statement about 50 hours a week, I realize that was a bit high. I've been closer to 40-45. However, they are exhausiting hours! Given that I'm not making money any other way, I feel the need to be hyper-focused for every moment that I'm working... no slacking off! :)

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          Thank you for your reply. Does your designer have a portfolio? How much does he ask for a work like yours?

          I believe one of the most important things to keep in mind when working as an entrepreneur is your family and friends. Don't force yourself to work more to finish that one more feature, loosing time with your kids. Your competitors can wait, your kid will stay young a limited time.

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      Did you talk to customers while creating your product? Did they show interest?

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        Yes, and yes. I spoke to many at the beginning. At some point, I had to stop taking input and start building. Given my tight timeframe, it was critical to make something happen quickly. I've just gone to market this week.

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          Awesome! Have you reached out to the people you talked to try and sell to them? good luck!

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    4 months... well in my case: release MVP. I feel like if I used Rails from the start it would be 4 weeks to that stage instead!!!

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    Adding a little context from the left-field...

    We work in a gov-tech startup and in four months I'd be lucky to get 2 meetings with senior teams. The current deal I'm working on has taken 2 years from inception and is likely to take another year to properly close. The project is worth up to £100m and will have significant strategic value/lock-in, if (confidence - WHEN), I land it. But honestly, the timescales for this kind of project are waaaaay different to anything else I've done.

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    Come check-out my stream some time Grant — I'm two weeks in (roughly), and pretty proud of the progress in-so-far. Having said that, I'm ADD and streaming for 10~ hours a day, so you might be able to get much more done ;)

    www.twitch.tv/thecoppinger

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    How far with what? :)

    Assuming you meant building a business: I think it's saner to set a goal where you want to be in 4 months (from now). Take that goal and make a plan of action working backwards.
    That way you set achievable small chunks per week and you know better what you're working on.

    I launched my latest business about 2 weeks ago with a handful of customers. Worked on it full-time for 6 weeks (2 weeks past my deadline). Of those 6 weeks I had lots of talks with potential customers. Building was just one part of it. Granted I've some years experience and this is not my first venture.

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      Spot on. Building is only one of the pieces and in most cases it’s the easiest part.

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    Start, and see where you end up.

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    You will feel more confident about yourself. After 4 months you will still be in a middle of nowhere. But! For such period of a time, you will train your persistence a lot. And you will actually start to walk on your own road, not only dreaming about a trip.

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    Well, look at Mailbox.

    https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9873268/why-dropbox-mailbox-shutdown

    They sold for 100 million to dropbox in a very very very very short period.

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    Interesting & Inspiring, yes.

    Helpful, not really, since you can't really compare the unique situation and life experiences that one person has to another.

    But I'm still keen on seeing what pops up here :)

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      Oh ofcourse, the point of this post is only for inspiration and discussion, it's just nice to talk to people who are interested in similar things