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Lessons Leading to IH Site Changes

Courtland and Channing,

I would be interested in hearing about the motivations and lessons learned that have driven the recent updates to IH.

I noticed that the forum has become the home page and the interviews/podcast have been moved to separate pages. Was this an idea before or after Stripe? Has your vision of IH changed?

Thanks

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    Great question. I'm out having fun in Buenos Aires at the moment, but will answer this when I'm back in.


    Okay, back!

    After I joined Stripe, my vision for Indie Hackers substantially increased in ambition for obvious reasons. A bigger and more impactful IH is better for everyone, and also more attainable with additional resources at my disposal. The big question since then has been: what should Indie Hackers be that's worth growing?

    Our first shot at this was a misfire. We wanted to take the inspiring content from founders that made IH great and scale up the volume. I made it so anyone could publish a Medium-style article, and I changed the homepage to showcase the new content. We ended up learning a lot in the process — e.g. that the community here is consistently good at upvoting the best articles and letting the bad ones sink — but there were some problems.

    First, it's difficult to scale a content site without a large team. Finding talented authors and articles is a full-time job. Additionally, being a founder with valuable lessons to share and being a great writer are very different things, and the long-form article format puts undue importance on writing ability. This was something I'd already learned after doing hundreds of text interviews, which often required hours of editing, which was not a scalable option for the articles. Instead, we'd have to forgo editing, source as many articles as possible, and only promote the top 10% or so.

    Could we make that work? Possibly. We tried, and were seeing the numbers move in the right direction. But the glaring issue, the one that put the nail in the coffin, was that this whole approach wasn't particularly good for anyone. We were essentially just relocating articles that would've appeared elsewhere on the web. And the requirement to be a great writer meant most people with something to share or teach wouldn't be able to do so successfully. Nobody was excited about this approach, ourselves included. It wasn't something worth growing.

    Around October, we decided to shift our focus to the community underlying Indie Hackers, for numerous reasons. For example, the forum had begun to grow rapidly, in large part as a side effect of one thing we started doing to promote the articles. (Any guesses as to what? 😝)

    I feel much better about this direction for Indie Hackers. I'm confident that the community here can become the best place for early-stage founders to support each other in starting new businesses and overcoming specific challenges, as well as learning from experienced founders. In the long run, I'd like this to be true both online and off, and I've got plenty of ideas in mind for making that happen.

    I'd barely touched the forum since coding it in 2016, so I spent the last few months of 2017 making some infrastructure improvements. The most visible ones were better user profiles and a new concept of products as first-class citizens (example), but a lot has changed under the surface as well. The result is that I should be able to develop more rapidly in 2018 in support of the community vision for Indie Hackers. Moving the forum to the homepage and making it the core of the site is one of many developments to come.

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      One thing I'd like more of as well is interviews with founders in the 10-50k MRR range. I feel like that's the content that's most lacking on other websites.

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        I'd like to see more of these, too! Any suggestions for specific people we should talk to, or perhaps a list of companies you'd like us to reach out to?

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      About the example product page you shared: WOW, how do we create such pages for our own apps and products!??

      This looks awesome, a few friends and I had been discussing the idea of such a website for indie devs to share updates and metrics about their product. But if it's ready to use on Indie Hackers, perfect! Is it open to all of us already? If not, any idea on when that will be open? Thanks!

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        Ideally I'll open up product pages to everyone within the next month or two, but first I've still got some big kinks to work out. Specifically, it's effortful to sign in, go to your page, think of something to post, then write it. I need to do a better job making this worthwhile and providing value. Ideas welcome!

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        I think the only way to get a page right now is to do an interview. At least that worked for me!

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          Thanks Cory, good to know! Really hope this will be rolled out as a feature available to everyone one day, and that following a product means we receive new updates by email.

          I'd love to use IndieHackers rather than Medium to write updates about my indie adventures! Courtland, if you hear me... ;-)

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          I'm not sure that's it, I can see many interviewed makers without the anchor, me included :P

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            ah I think for now it is just people who interview after they'd built the feature. that's what Courtland implied here

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      Great answer, thanks for all these transparent explanations ! The forum growth is very nice, well done 👍.

      It seems you implemented the "founder icon" (anchor on a yellow disk), did you set it for every founder? Because I don't have mine for Hercules. Can you check it out please?

      Thanks!

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        You'll get one soon!

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      Fantastic insights, I really appreciate it.

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      Thank you Courtland for such in-depth answers, every time! 🙏

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    As one of the writers who went through all writing and editing process, I agree it's time consuming for both sides. And forum topics quite often have indepth answers worth as much as a full 2000 words article would be. So good direction overall.

    The only thing I'm not sure - in 2017 I remember at least a few founders mentioning a goal of "put their products on IndieHackers" as a success badge, kind of. So would that still be a thing?

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      The point system hasn't changed, so unless there's a bug I'm unaware of, you're just getting lots of upvotes :-D

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