Hey!
So I’m trying to double down and grow Upscribe from 3K MRR to 20K. I’m working with my marketing guy (hired my brother who is awesome with this stuff) and going through the book Traction by the founder of Duck Duck Go to find some good channels to get things to the next level.
What have been some channels/efforts that have helped you grow MRR?
Thanks a ton! Happy hacking!
What you probably don't want to hear: There are a million ways to go and it depends on your company, product, market, target group, business model, customers and many more factors what will be the right way for you.
That being said, here some things to think about that could have a huge impact:
Build a Referral Engine. Get your customers to refer you to their friends & contacts.
Ads. If you can make that channel work, that baby can scale fast.
Content Marketing. Find a topic that you're uniquely qualified to talk about that solves problems your target group wrestles with. This won't have any impact in the short run but can pay huge dividends in the long run.
Influencer outreach. Get influencers to recommend your product. But don't mass send out a "Hi, tweet out my awesome product http://.... kthxbye" email. Influencers get 5 of those a day. Be humble, personal and create value first.
Sponsor niche blogs & email newsletters
Great resources for the topic of Online Marketing / Growth Hacking are the blog of sumo.com and neilpatel.com
Good luck!
Now this are the kind of comments that make me stick around on this community, really well said, and @joshanderton for the referral option you could also take the aggressive stance and try to map out the communities, groups and website that your current super users visit frequently and pay them a friendly and helpful visit. As most times on the internet the places where your current users hangs out, tend to be filled with a lot more potential users for your app, you can use a tool like Alexa to map places your current users visit.
Thanks Smithmayowa! I'm happy if you're finding some value in my comment. If you do, I'd appreciate an upvote :)
Super helpful, thank you! I will definitely look at Alexa and see what data/feedback I can get about our ideal users.
Thanks so much for your comment!
Actually, that’s totally what I wanted to hear! Lol. I definitely don’t expect it will be easy; but I had a hunch I would find some valuable nuggets posting the question on IH.
I really appreciate your comment Oliver. I want to try to focus on sustainable growth as much as possible; so finding advertising options that have a good, consistent ROI and partnering with niche influencers/blogs sound like they could work well for us. We also have a referral engine that hasn’t been promoted yet so that will be another thing to try.
Once again, thanks so much!
For referral hacks, find and segment your most active power users. And then go for the niche verticals and communities those types of users belong.
For paid search ads, if care to do that, find the keywords your competitors have been spending money on for the past 3 - 12 months. In most cases these are tested search queries that delivers good conversions/ROI.
And you can use same high value search queries in your content marketing strategy. I have a full blog post on this if care to get more insights.
Thanks @Donfelix! Really appreciate the tip on referral marketing. Would love to see the post, please post it here when you get a chance!
Hi @joshanderton, here is it - https://www.weblifehq.com/business-blogging/ (How To Use Adwords Data In Your Business Blogging Strategy)
Awesome, thanks for your feedback. I'm happy I could help
Hello @JoshAnderton.
When you say double-down, are you saying you have some viable singles-down upon which you want to double-down on?
So, anyway, I will be making some assumptions (apologies if they are incorrect), will not go into excessive detail (forum post after all), but the following is how I suggest you approach this:
Audit: channels, messages, segments, total members, total membership types, as well as grouping them in the appropriate manner: who, where, when, how, and links between them, and links to others that share characteristics that deem them viable potential beachheads.
Potential beachheads need to be assessed in regards to value add, propensity towards something that will benefit you, degree of difficulty to reach, purse size, degree of problem afflication, size of potential benefit from solution, etc, etc.
Find out your numbers on things like: net burn rate, CAC for each membership type (Free, Blogger, Business, Enterprise), payback period of CAC for each membership type, runway, MRR growth rate, etc. Last 6 months will do. Other things not covered by numbers, such as customer satisfaction, etc.
Traction tactics will provide spurts of growth, you can rinse them for a while, then you’ll have to find something new. Fairly obvious really, however I mention this because in my opinion you are not ready for scalable acquisition. Of course this remark has holes in it, based on a plethora of assumptions:
You don’t know your growth levers (right message, right channels, right persona’s, right segments, right time, etc);
You are unable to formulate (or predict) the output based on inputs.
You also, from what I have seen on your site, don’t have much funnel collateral at any stage. (Don't mean for this to sound harsh, obviously it will take time).
So if the above is true, and you still attempt to scale, you’ll scale yourself out of business. By all means get a benchmark if you want, will be handy down-the-line.
As for actual traction tactics, all over the place, you’ll know the caveats when it comes to past and present application of such things, which is why I won’t cover them. What I will say is let the past illuminate you, but not incarcerate you.
A lot of the tactics taken out of their time and place, with no appreciation of the things that came before the application of the tactic, with no regards for the context are highly unlikely to provide the same results.
We hear the soundbites when it comes to tactics, the headline, the romance; I did this, went to bed, woke-up, I was killing it, crushing it, made $x, bought a house, bought a flash car, it didn’t change me, etc, etc. Outliers, anomalies, blue-moons; exist, but we call them by those terms for a reason.
I would actually look at controlled growth, for you still have a lot to learn about all aspects of your business, so I would seek to maximise.
Some might consider the following a tactic, I don't. From from your current users:
What characteristics (and other things that permit segmentation) your current most valuable users share?
Who are your potential evangelists?
Who are they connected to?
Who are their audiences?
Approx size of audiences
Relevance of audience to your service (other things I listed above in point 1 and 2)
What carrot do they need to preach and share?
Desired results(although this should be fairly low due to other things not mentioned in this list but elsewhere in this post)
I would then look at assessing them in terms of easy wins, least amount of effort coupled with what needle am I looking to move.
But all within the tenet of controlled growth, an eye on your metrics, and maximal learning potential so you can discover things that down-the-line will form part of a scalable approach.
For the things you discover, a quick test to validate is recommended, for obviously you will need to ascertain your growth levers.
There are some things I consider foundational that you should be doing:
Content Marketing
Your own blogging (strictly it should come under content marketing, but permit me to be pedantic. I did have a quick perusal of your blog.)
Off-site SEO (Edit: and on-site)
Anyway, have spent a tad too long on this post, so…
Cheers, Ace.
By double-down I mean that it’s been a side project up until now and treated as such. I am working now to grow it into something more.
Thanks for your time Ace! Will definitely need to take a bit and digest all this; I really appreciate the thought you put into it.
What were your most efficient channels so far?
Hey Josh,
Love the product and have a few suggestions for you. At EmailOctopus we regularly have a number of customers asking for sign-up solutions, so have a few ideas based on that.
Why should (or do) users use Upscribe? Double-down on that messaging, everywhere. Your tag-line, adverts, social media. Become known for something, rather than just being another player. As you well know, the sign-up form space is busy, previously you had the 'Medium' market and I note you've moved into more generic sign-up boxes. But why should someone use you? Your tagline explains what the product does, but not what it does better than other alternatives. Fortunately (for once), the marketplace is a busy one, so you can quite easily find just by Googling or speaking to a few customers what their pain points were with alternatives. For us, loads of people hate MailChimp's pricing when they go above 2000 contacts - hence why we really double down on the pricing messaging.
Revenue doesn't just have to come from your own product. The users you're aimed at at present find it hard to pay for a sign-up box, but they find it very easy to pay for an email marketing platform. Your client list, even including free users, is worth a lot. Every single one of those is a customer of MailChimp or AWeber, some paying hundreds of dollars a month. Alternatives to those platforms offer affiliate schemes giving up to 30% on MRR - you're in a trusted position by many users - if another platform could work better for your users and make you money, recommend it.
Thanks so much for your feedback Thomas! I’m a huge fan of EmailOctopus.
You’re right; it’s a busy market. I’ve wanted to try and move from just “signup forms for Medium” and into more generic lead generation for businesses and it may be too generic. I will absolutely work on making it more niche again. I’m totally an advocate for this way of marketing but it’s easy to forget when I’m looking at my own business.
I really appreciate the advice on affiliate marketing. We have so many great integrators (EmailOctopus included!) and we are planning on doing a lot more promotion for them all in the next few months. So this makes a ton of sense.
Thanks again Thomas! All the best!
Just my two cents from the perspective as a new user: you've got a lot of referrals to your service, all focused on an embeddable newsletter sign up for medium.com
When signing up now through one of those referrals, it immediately asks to sign up for a plan. Since you're still in the growth phase, it might be more sensical for you to offer a very minimalistic "always free plan" similar to zoho.com's strategy. You could for instance limit the amount of new subscribers per month which can be added before an upgrade to a new plan is required (even informing them that they have reached the limit, and x new subscribers would be added as soon as they went pro).
As the services is setup right now from the sign-up, I am sure that you will see a large drop-off in your funnel at the "Please choose a plan to continue" step.
Talk to your customers. Every day.
Clearly understand their pain points and what does your offering solve for them.
Do targeted cold outreach to people like your existing customer who pay you the $3k MRR.
Double down on content that attracts similar people like your ideal customers.
Find a way to turn your loyal customers into referrals. - This might be the road from $20k to $100k and tops :)
Thank you @RolFic! I am working on making more time to talk to customers. It’s so easy to get lost in development and not focus on what really matters; the customer’s needs!
What I've done that helped is:
Find a channel that really works (in my case, SEO) and double down on that to get it automated and working well for you. For some it's ads, for others it's affiliate.
Raise your prices to charge better for the services you offer. When I did this, I killed churn and my customers are all much happier.
Find a coach/mentor to help you break through mental blocks of scaling, hiring, etc. Still very much working on these!
Thanks so much for taking the time John! These are massively helpful actionable. Really appreciate it! I’ve been looking for a mastermind group or mentors in the SaaS space; how do you recommend going about finding coaches?
Thanks again!
I actually did an Instagram story about coach vs mentor. A coach is someone you pay (think the person that runs the mastermind but also helps you 1:1), versus a mentor is someone who is way ahead of you who is willing to give you some advice every now and then but that advice is game changing.
Honestly there are so many people in the SaaS space who are really good at what they doing and very giving with their advice. Dan Martell, Josh Pigford, Patrick McKenzie. Start there by following them on Twitter and reading the stuff they put out, then see who's engaging with them and keep on down the rabbit hole.
Re: masterminds, you can either join one or create one. Start in SaaS Facebook groups and go from there.
Thanks John; I appreciate your distinction between coach and mentor. It makes a big difference when your trying to set realistic expectations while networking.
Will follow these guys right away (already following Josh Pigford; the legend!).
Thanks again!
Reading traction too. I suggest you find another marketing guy. I have interviewed 36. You need to see 98% are copy cats of yesterdays campaigns. Occasionally someone can show results, go with them as test only. Expect to spend $2K on a campaign worth testing. Always commit short term, never buy into this bullshit they tell you. It takes six months for content marketing to gain traction. If you hear that run away. As results should show in no longer than three weeks.
Thanks so much for your response! I really appreciate how to the point it is. I’m not interested in messing around so this is great stuff!