April 6, 2018

Ask IH: What's your "WHY"?

As we are mostly makers/creators on this platform, or people thinking about starting their own thing, we have our own individual reasons and a "WHY"?

What's yours? (why start a business/project, why work for yourself, why do the harder thing to create something from the ground up, rather than the employee life etc.)


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    Because for the first 20 years of my life the world beat me down and told me I was a loser. Then I decided not to be. Now I'm on the path. Flip the script. Invert the narrative. Take control. 10 years deep into this journey I've realised the "harder" thing is actually easier, because it's so hard almost no one is willing to do it.

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      Then I decided not to be

      It's interesting that a mind shift change can be both the fastest thing, as well as the slowest one.

      because it's so hard almost no one is willing to do it.

      Takes time, which involves a lot of patience and discipline. The media some times paints a unrealistic image of all these "overnight success" stories, where as reality is much different.

      Great job on flipping the script 👍

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        Yeah, overnight success is 15 to 20 years in the making on average.

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          James, what are you working on?

          Saw you have a vlog documenting your journey, similar to what I am doing 👍

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            Working on a content writing and planning assistant that we are aiming to launch before MicroConf. Various other things in the pipeline if that doesn't pan out but we're giving it our absolute best shot. What about yourself?

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              I am building an apparel business.

              I'm also still working as a developer full-time in a fashion company, so it's fun times :)

              We've been documenting building the business from day 1, you can check out the different mediums we've been using here.

              content writing and planning assistant

              Something like Buffer?

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                Just curious !!! Has anyone ever won those Dulo shirts that are sent one 1st of every month? Am i missing anything... I don't see a previous winners list and i myself have never won anything in-spite of throwing away my email id at every text box i have ever seen.

                Also does some one who sings up for a referral gets a free shirt? That's how few i know get products from wholesale and get comfy before they start selling or marketing.

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                  @arthanari Thanks for the question and interest!

                  This (last) month was the first one with the giveaway and we announced the winner in our Instagram stories. There were 34 entries in total.

                  We sent the first shirt to the winner and will be in touch to ask for permission (to use the name) and start making a winners list, good idea 👍

                  Also does some one who sings up for a referral gets a free shirt?

                  Do you mean our referral programme? Let me know, if you have an interest and let's discuss! 👍

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                Buffer focused more on the calendar/scheduling aspects, we are focused more on creation and strategy.

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        It doesn't need to take discipline necessarily. I do most of my work because I'd be bored otherwise.

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          Or you enjoy it 👍

          Makes it even easier.

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            Well yes that too.

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    This is simple: I am unemployable.

    Arriving at that answer though, took me a long time.

    And not because I didn't know it, but because I didn't do it.

    I have a wife and kids and left my last full time job in December of last year. I worked with good people, but I hated my job. I spent two years there and was never excited about anything I worked on. I tried to launch my own projects inside the company but I just never fit. I saw all kinds of people climb the ladder around me - I went nowhere.

    A big part of this was my wife's urging to stay. Keep the insurance and the steady job. I was miserable and it wasn't until I (literally) had the same discussion with myself for months that I decided to change things. That discussion went something like this.

    I have (big) responsibilities, but I am not living up to my full potential. I am not here on this planet to live someone else's dreams, I am here to make mine happen. I don't take orders well (never have) so why should I change my internal dna because someone else says I should? I should be able to cover my responsibilities and achieve my dreams at the same time just being myself and spending my days doing what I love to do.

    Once I decided I had hit bottom with this realization, I started doing something about it. I worked on what I loved doing on any off hour that I had. And it took me a little over a year, but I did it.

    Some people are ok with just having a job. Some people love having a job. I always just wanted to do what I wanted to do, without someone telling me what or how.

    I wasn't until I knew this and was completely honest with myself about who I am that everything started to change.

    Changing your mindset, for me, is the key. I think in terms of affecting and not just reacting. I set aside time for myself every day to do the things I want to do, distraction free.

    When you have a clear focus and determination behind it, you can achieve anything.

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      Yeah I can resonate with this a little. We were looking at houses and I was working hard to get promotion so we could get a mortgage, but I knew deep down I'm allergic to the concept of a mortgage and I am only interested in paying cash no matter how crazy difficult that is. I finally had that talk with my wife to say it's just not my path in life to go that route and I will feel trapped, so I need to spread my wings and do it my way and we'll have to wait for the house but it'll be way better when the time comes.

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        Makes total sense to me. Part of my journey has been similar; I told my wife no more credit. If we can't pay cash/debit for it, then there's no reason to get it?

        Good luck on your path. Actually owning a house with no mortgage is a massive achievement in my book.

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      Are you me? 100% this.

      Currently in that 9-5 job that I feel handcuffed to and is going nowhere and feel unemployable elsewhere because of.

      For me, I have decided going forward that building useful products on the side is the best way to get out of this hole. Plus, as a kid, I always thought it was awesome that a friend's parents owned their own gig and wanted to do that one day too. So this route just feels right for me.

      Yeah, it'll be a lot of hard work with 3 kids (all in diapers) and a full-time job but I believe it to be worth it.

      It is encouraging to see posts like this on IH. It helps with the mindset you were talking about. Thanks!

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      I worked on what I loved doing on any off hour that I had. And it took me a little over a year, but I did it.

      I'm a big fan of the side hustle transition. It's also valuable in terms of learning to work within constraints, both financial and timely, which I believe are very useful long-term.

      You say "but" after only a year, but that's really fast, considering!

      Changing your mindset, for me, is the key. I think in terms of affecting and not just reacting. I set aside time for myself every day to do the things I want to do, distraction free.

      Mindset is THE skill.

      Congrats on the success and courage to start. It's also a huge variable caring for a family meanwhile, so well done!

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        Thank you and thank you also for a great topic!

        'Only after a year' is really when I knew I had to do something about my situation. It really went on much longer for that - probably the better part of a decade.

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          I can see how it was a hard decision 👍

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    I'd say I'm transitioning to a full-time income from the products I’ve created to be able to:

    • Spend more time with friends and family;

    • Travel more;

    • Build a tech business on solid ground.

    That's what led us to https://www.gethighlights.co/ 🦄

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      Those are some solid motivations ;)

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        +1

        Really solid!

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    Damn this is a good one, upvoted!

    I had one job before for an amazing design agency (great people, great work, amazing talent) but even with all that, I felt pretty terrible in that short period of time. I remembered shortly before quitting I was super tired mentally (more than some burnouts I have had) and thought that there's no way I am going through this again (or for my entire life!) and that being an entrepreneur is not "an option" is the only freaking option! I always wanted to be an entrepreneur anyways but that made everything clearer!

    I am a control and improvement freak (I took some time to balance it to a healthy level but it was worth the lessons haha) so that's an amazing "why" to follow my own path to be the best version I can be!

    I focus on Design based on conversion because it can have a great impact on someone's business that's helping them achieve their vision, maintain their dream, create more (and much better) jobs for talented people and so on (which actually impacts people's lives)...that's part of the "why" too. It's all about making as many things as I can in life a "win-win".

    The short answer for my kind of personality type is"Progress equals happiness" ;)

    PS: Curious on your "Why"... 😊

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      It' a long one, but in short, build a successful business, so I can leave the 9-5 and after that have the resources (financials, time) and the platform to encourage 3 things:

      1. Treating animals better

      2. Treating the environment better (1 and 2 are linked ofc)

      3. Encouraging more people to take control of their time/lives, I've seen way too many people looking forward to Friday and dreading Monday, that ratio of 5 sucky days and 2 good ones does not bode well with me. More people can leave that mouse wheel.

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        Awesome Julien, sounds like some great motivation too!

        I'm sure you will be able to scale DULO to something much bigger!

        I believe you said in some episode of the podcast you guys plan to quit your jobs 9 months from now, what is your runway?

        I'll keep following DULO's journey btw;)

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          I'll keep following DULO's journey btw;)

          Super grateful for your time!

          I believe you said in some episode of the podcast you guys plan to quit your jobs 9 months from now, what is your runway?

          Ha, did we? Well, the runway is kind of infinite as long as we keep our full-time day jobs, which realistically we might need to, at least for the next couple of years.

          The funny thing is that when you start you realize that it always takes more time than you think, but as long as you balance that with patience and a long-term vision, it doesn't create friction.

          As for me, my full-time job is at a fashion company, previously I was moaning that I wanted to work for myself, but now I realize the opportunity to learn the industry while getting paid and not having the financial pressure of living of your side project, yet ;)

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            Seems like a great choice in the long run ;)

            Maybe I confused the runaway with someone else as I do like to study a ton of businesses all the time 🤦‍♂️

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              It's a game changer, working without mental or financial pressure on a project, the quality is miltiplied 👍

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      When you quit, what was your plan? Doing similar work as a freelancer or launching a business doing something different? I realize that the two may not be totally distinct.

      This resonated with me since I was stressed in my agency job and ended up quitting. I'm launching a product, but also managed to pick up freelance work.

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        You are totally right they are not distinct if you run the freelance business 100% like a real business :)

        My plan is (and was back then but with less certainty) to focus on my freelance business 100% until I can get some pretty good work on mostly through referrals and articles. This is hard for now because I only do a few projects a year (only do the best quality and fit possible I don't want to scale crappy clients) and therefore it's less likely to get referrals.

        After that, I want to try some Indie Hacking part-time which will take me some failures but I believe I can do it. Otherwise, I will have to buy MVP's and scaled them because I am much better at optimizing then building from scratch 😅

        Here's the website for my services for more info: http://cortes.design

        Did you quit recently?

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    To quote Casey Neistat, "The regret I have for failing is less than the regret I would have for never trying."

    To me, there's nothing scarier than leaving something on the table. I want to try, and fail, and fail again until I succeed. But I wouldn't be able to live knowing I didn't try something I always dreamed of.

    And I always dreamed of starting my own businesses, creating products, solving problems. I do it because I can't NOT do it.

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      Great point!

      To quote a similar dude - Gary Vee, "Regret is poison"

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    I like this question. It may even be one of the more important questions you should ask yourself before starting. I don't really know. I haven't "started" yet.

    But, here are a few I came up with for me.

    TL;DR: Freedom (including financial freedom) & Validation.

    Freedom of Schedule

    When me or my kid gets sick, I won't have an employer telling me to use my vacation hours. If something comes up, just take care of it.

    Freedom of Location

    Employers/managers still have trust issues regarding remote work? Work in the environment best suited to your productivity.

    Freedom of Decision

    Employers wont make decisions on your behalf to their own benefit. You make decisions based on what is best for you!

    Freedom of Philosophy

    You have many theories on how to make better sales. Employers can be entrenched in their own ways. You get to decide and test what works and what doesn't.

    No Monetary Ceiling

    You don't have to earn the owner $1 while he pays you only 1¢. Why not make the $1 for yourself?

    Sense of Accomplishment & Validation

    If you are on a team at an employer, your sense of accomplishment is: I built maybe 25% of this thing and earned the owner more cash. Not very satisfying, at-least, for me. Making something people find useful enough to pay for while also benefiting from. I call that validation.

    This one has to be the crown jewel for me. ☝️

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      Solid, solid reasons, most of them I share as well and resonated greatly!

      I don't really know. I haven't "started" yet.

      What do you mean by this?

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        I cannot qualify this statement as I am still in the wantrepreneur stage:

        It may even be one of the more important questions you should ask yourself before starting

        My guess is that it rings true though.

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          I see 🙂

  7. 5

    I finally fell into a great job and I will remain at it for as long as I can. But just like the world... reality is: no one is safe, everyone is expendable. But I am tired of working for the corporate world, tired of dealing with a supervisor, tired of just having to go sit somewhere for 8 hours just to appease my company because they have disallowed "remote work" -- though it's selective.

    So... I'm just trying to have a security blanket with web apps and SaaS. I see the interviews on here .. and I'm like, "Wow, if I could just earn $1000/mo.... "

    There is this feeling I want. I want to be able to go to work, at my day job, because I want to be there, not because I have to be there. When I can accomplish that, I will know I have found the success I was looking for.. and that is my true 'why'.

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      So did you start your own thing in the end, or are you still thinking about it?

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        Hey Julian, my 20s was that stage where I did more thought than action. (That girl got away too because I was more theory than action). Now I'm more action and with the added wisdom of developing a theory first with the intended consequence being action.

        I started a company called NoteToServices, developed about 5 or 6 apps so far, with about 2-3 more underway... at least 2 of those apps are bringing in anywhere from $20-$50 a month right now. So I try to just build small web apps and monetize them.

        Check my profile for details about those web apps.

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          Now I'm more action and with the added wisdom of developing a theory first with the intended consequence being action.

          We put too much pressure on being successful in our 20s (I'm also guilty of that, have to balance it with patience), but in most cases, it's just not a realistic time frame to have the experience, success and build something substantial at such a young age.

          Again, being mislead by the media again and all of the "overnight success" BS.

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            Hey Julian,

            To this day, there things I want to accomplish, like building certain web apps, but I might wait a year or so until I gain more experience to actually make it happen. This has really helped me with achieving some success. Instead of rushing into it -- I build other things that help me learn something and then I am able to move forward to actually do what I originally wanted to do.

            I did enjoy my 20s... if I had to do it all over again, one of the things I'd learn more is confidence.. this was very hard for me. In my 30s, I have more confidence (it helps that I lost like 70+ pounds -- feel free to read about it here: https://mypost.io/post/no-bullshit-diet) and I'm able to focus on more things. I think in my 20s.. I was all about learning my purpose in life, whereas my 30s... I'm finding ways to make money to afford my house and future life.

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              Nice! Congrats on the fat loss achievement!

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    I want to destroy the lone inventor myth.

    When people think of the light bulb, they imagine that only Thomas Edison worked on it. When people think of the iPhone, they think that only Steve Jobs created it.

    In reality armies of engineers, designers, and other people worked to create those products and many others. It's grossly unfair that history forgets these people.

    Hopefully others feel the same way as I do: https://theymadethat.com

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      That's a unique cause!

      Bezos and Musk have a similar aura now going on, but indeed you are right, there's always more people and there is always more time behind any substantial success.

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        I'm hoping more people agree and join my movement to fix this

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    Family and freedom.

    I love my job and work remotely. That's not the issue.

    I spent the first 38 years playing by the rules: get good grades, go to college, get a career, wait to retire, die.

    I think I can do better. You guys have shown me I can.

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      I think I can do better. You guys have shown me I can.

      The right community is power 👍

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    $100k in student loans. Half of my $70k salary engineering job goes to paying those bills. The only way to financial security and getting out of debt in the near future is increased income. Asked for raises, got no raises, decided to take my future into my own hands and get paid what I'm worth.

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      decided to take my future into my own hands and get paid what I'm worth.

      Respect! That's the only winning mindset you can have!

      Man, being from EU, I feel for you guys and those huge tuition huge debts. Crazy. Online education is on its way to fixing this though, at least in my observations, for IT jobs it's already kind of there.

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        Traditional public education shoves college down your throat as the only option to being successful. It's all wired to pump out good employees, not independent creative thinkers that can make a difference. Hoping the whole college/university conversation gets disrupted soon. It's a for-profit game that is eating young kids and families alive.

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          The opportunities, tools, resources, and platforms are out there, I guess it's a matter of shifting the mindset of parents that would push their kids in that direction.

          I got into programming from 0 to now working in it for a few years, after a $100 investment and 4 months of online courses at https://teamtreehouse.com/.

          New wave companies are also starting to change the way they hire, so it's only a matter of time before that old system collapses, I am sure.

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    Good question...

    I think there are a few;

    • To create something from nothing

    • To truly feel "the harder you work the better it will be" Something that doesn't feel true in many 9-5 jobs

    • An overwhelming feeling of success on the small things

    • Higher "ceiling" than a typical job, the sky is the limit!

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      Oh man, these are pretty much my exact motivations.

      In a similar vein, I like the idea that in during the process of your daily work, you are slowly building an asset that increases in value over time (whether that's a sellable business, an audience, a reputation, or a brand).

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        Absolutely! I am nothing if not a man of value! haha. I am a designer by "trade" but I knew from day one I didn't want to be just a designer forever, although it is definitely a nice skill to have when building stuff!!

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      Higher "ceiling" than a typical job, the sky is the limit!

      That's a great one!

      What are you working on currently?

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        Yeah, in every job I always asked "How can I progress" whether financially, by role, etc. But the answer always has an end. When creating your own stuff, its so open ended, because even if you reach the end of one thing, it can spur into another.

        I actually just launched knvrt.co (and posted about it - https://www.indiehackers.com/forum/we-just-launched-looking-for-feedback-input-and-a-give-away-a13f265276)

        It's my first solo "product/service" and first stab at entrepreneurship (beyond a basic freelancer/consultant)

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          Yeah, in every job I always asked "How can I progress" whether financially, by role, etc. But the answer always has an end

          Feel you. I believe the best employer will always be the guy from your passport...

          I checked out knvrt.co, have some feedback :)

          1. The second button "TELL ME MORE" on the homepage banner is a bit skewed (halfway outside of the box). (minor UI feedback)

          2. But mostly, don't you have some sort of a trial/free version? I hope you get people directly committing, but for that price, I don't know how realistic it is that people will invest without having a taste of what the product can offer them. OR, I am just missing the "trial" button somewhere, which you can take as a UI feedback then :)

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            Yup, I 100% agree!

            Oh awesome, thanks for the feedback.

            1. Oh, that's odd! I shall try and fix that! I do plan on re-creating the site to a better quality down the line, but as an MVP wanted something quick, so I appreciate catching that!

            2. Well, i cannot really give a trial as every single one is custom to each person and manually created by me (a UX designer specialising in conversion pages) but I do have a "lucky dip" which is a free give away I plan to do every 2-4 weeks. Otherwise, I am in the process of creating a few case studies which should help to give people an idea of what they can expect!

            I have had a few people say they expect (like most things) it to be auto-generated or something, and that a manual/custom report may be aUSP I need to highlight a little more! (assuming you thought the same, of course).

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              Yea, I guess case studies might be a way of giving some value upfront plus "social proofing" your expertise.

              Also, indeed, highlighting that actually a human will sit down and think about their landing page is a USP.

              Best of luck with it! 👍

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                Hopefully! I'm writing my first one today, so we shall soon see!

                Thanks, hopefully, I will get some more feedback from you down the line! :)

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                  Definitely!

                  Keep the community in the loop of how the project is going 👍

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    I have two main reasons.

    I like the freedom aspect. Although I have dogs now so I'm a bit more tied down for many years it was possible to just be like "Gosh it's cold here" then pack up and move to Florida for a few months. Or spend 3 months on a road trip in an RV.

    I like the creativity and the chance to work on what I want. Try whatever takes my fancy and see if I can make it work.

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      the freedom aspect

      The most valuable asset, closely interwieved with time.

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    Because it's fun!

    I love the process of finding people who want something, making it for them, and giving it to them. Sure, you can do that in a big company, but for my side projects I get to do that without needing approval, project proposals, buy in from other people, etc. In a company it's naturally a more filtered, shared, and communal process. That's great, but I find it more fun doing everything yourself 😄

    You also get that direct interaction with customers which makes a huge difference. There's much more a sense that the work you do has an impact on your future. Like some work I did a couple months back led to a 30–40% increase in revenue. Being able to identify and impact impact sales in that way is so satisfying and really forces you to confront whether your ideas are good or not (and most of mine are bad!)

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      (and most of mine are bad!)

      Means you are trying out a lot of stuff! You don't need many to succeed when you have made many bets and learned from them.

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    I feel that I do good work but I like when others to tell me I do with their dollar or affirmations. That sounds petty but I think we're all a little petty 🤷‍♂️

    I'm also a tinkerer at heart and I don't get to do enough of that when working for someone else.

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      Fair enough 👍

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    I love creating and learning and I want to be able to be generous with my time and money. Entrepreneurship is a combination of helping people, creative problem solving, and creating wealth.

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      Entrepreneurship is a combination of helping people, creative problem solving, and creating wealth.

      Never thought about it from that angle, but it's a good sum up!

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    1. Why start a business? So I can have more free time to dance full-time and create my artwork. I'm finally in pursuit of the life I've wanted to live my whole life. No point in stopping now that the path is clear.

    2. Why work for myself? Because I can build my brand as big or small as I want. There is no back and forth, and trying to win someone over with strategy - just execution. And there's a peace to that.

    3. Why create something from the ground up? Because it's mine. It's my vision. It's my creation. It's mine.

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      Great reasons!

      Curious. How are you approaching this, as in, what project are you working to enable those reasons to manifest?

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        I'm reverse engineering from my end goal.

        I know that I don't want to spend the majority of my time on the computer, but dancing and doing my artwork.

        So I'm looking at alternative methods to making money (e.g., creating an online course to sell from some skills I've acquired, sponsorships, affiliate work, influencer work since I am building my Instagram brand, etc.).

        I can actually foresee how my dance training and body painting artwork can branch off into multiple arenas to make money and give me time to work on projects that I want to work on.

        Now it's all about execution.

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          I sense a bit of a GaryVee influence 😏

          Drop down your Insta, I'd love to check it out.

          I am also in the process fo building an affiliate network for my product, so you never know 🙂

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            Gary Vee. Simon Sinek. Eric Thomas. Jim Kwik. Tom Bilyeu. A little T.D. Jakes. Will Smith. Seth Godin.

            Man, what a sausage fest...

            The practical strategy part is all Gary Vee though.

            He's definitely influenced me the most over the years in how to execute on these ideas - PRACTICALLY.

            My IG: https://www.instagram.com/pucknkhaos/

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              Nice!

              I can see you've hit your Instagram branding stride the last few rows 🙂

              Good luck with it! I'll keep you in mind if I think of any collab opportunities 👍

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    For me the freedom is simply unmatched. As people who can work on our laptops, anywhere in the world, being able to do that whenever you want is really great. The freedom to wake up when you want, work as long or little as you want, work on things you're interested is worth more than any money or fame I think.

    Could you have some huge startup, get rich and famous? Sure, and maybe some people legitimately enjoy that, but you get any impression that you're not that type of person, I can definitely recommend trying your own thing. I find it more rewarding too personally, you get full control, the product(s) are very much "yours", and even if you make less money, it feels like you actually earned it.

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      For me the freedom is simply unmatched. As people who can work on our laptops, anywhere in the world, being able to do that whenever you want is really great. The freedom to wake up when you want, work as long or little as you want, work on things you're interested is worth more than any money or fame I think.

      You're preaching 👍

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    I've gone full-time trying to start a business twice, and both times it's been a similar story.

    Both times I felt undervalued, underchallenged and over-constrained in my job. Both times I've looked forward and seen what if need to do to move forward within the company and thought "that's going to take a huge amount of energy - why not just channel that energy into a project which I will own and will accelerate my learning 10x?"

    My impression based on this thread and previous experience is that people become entrepreneurs for a similar reason most of the time. And that's because their perception of their own ability - rightly or wrongly - is higher than that of society's perception of them.

    I think this is why you tend to get an unusually high proportion of 1st generation immigrants starting successful businesses, seemingly against the odds. And it's why the same theme of "I'm unemployable so I started a business" is so prevalent.

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      Fair points 👍

      What are you currently working on?

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        I'm working on a product design consultancy – http://whittler.tech – and a market intelligence platform for independent developers/marketers which is coming soon.

        Love the look of your shirts btw!

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          Ha, thanks!

          The product is great, but we're not going to win any product photography awards, for now 😀 We did a few DIY product shoots with $150 investment in total, but now we're fixing that and have a proper photoshoot scheduled next month. Time to do the product quality some justice 🙂

          Checked your website. What kind of products are you specialized in designing?

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            Oh interesting re photography – I genuinely wouldn't have known!

            We do software product design – optimising customer retention for Saas products, mostly.

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              Oh interesting re photography – I genuinely wouldn't have known!

              Good to know 😄

              Nice about the customer retention design!

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    All of these are great answers. I see myself in many of the responses; particularly as it relates to control: not of other people but of your own time, your own destiny, to shape the kinds of tools & products you want to work on etc. Yes, the money and flexibility that it brings is important too and I think everyone wants it to some degree or another. But the idea of being able to work independently without being told what to do is particularly appealing to a lot of us and it's why, as easy as it is to be swayed by the VC model, I think it's more appealing to build a "company of one" as Paul Jarvis talks about. Or at least a company of few.

    Just remember though: this shit is hard. And it takes time.

    I started a network of content sites around MySpace profiles (yes, this was eons ago in "internet time") in 2006 that I ran full time for 2 years. Made a ton of money up front when I was 22 and then it dried up and I couldn't pivot to something else in enough time and had to go searching for another job. That was 10 years ago. I've been trying to get back ever since.

    That's not meant to discourage anyone but rather to steel you for the journey ahead. It's a lifetime of study, IMO. And it doesn't happen overnight.

    In other words: keep plugging away. Even if you don't get there on your 1st (or 10th) product, eventually you'll get there.

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      Just remember though: this shit is hard. And it takes time.

      Word.

      That was 10 years ago. I've been trying to get back ever since.

      Super interesting! Usually, I see the perspective of trying to get "there", but being there, losing it and coming back to "it" is a super interesting premise!

      What are you currently working on?

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        Yeah I mean you could say I got "lucky" early on. It wasn't my first crack at building a self-funded web site and I worked hard to build it for sure. But there was definitely an element of "right place, right time" going on. I rode the crest of a wave and optimized a site around a term that was high (and trending higher!) volume and virtually no competition. Unfortunately, as real waves often do, it crashed and I couldn't recover in time. :P

        It's not uncommon though. I've heard plenty of startup stories of people making it with their first one and then struggling to surpass it and/or get back to where they were. It's an unforgiving game, that's for sure.

        Right now, I'm working on a weekly newsletter for marketers showcasing the newest growth tools/software. Think of it as Product Hunt for marketers. I did kind of a soft launch last week here on IH but it was Easter here in the US so I'm guessing a lot of folks missed it.

        Sustained Surge

        Launch thread on IH

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          Where do you research/source the marketing tools from?

          Sumo seems to do a great job at it, especially their content marketing strategy.

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            Well I won't give away all of my sources but a bunch of different places. Obviously, PH and sites like it like BetaList, Cool Hunting etc. are good places to start. But I also look through a handful of sub-reddits that are dedicated to indie devs, tools etc. and a few other social sites. Plus, I've got the RSS feed of just every viable blog out there for SEO, CRO, analytics & every other aspect of growth, in addition to Google alerts for targeted keywords. A lot of agencies, for example, build small tools on their own without a lot of notoriety.

            That said, I'd like to source more directly and develop more relationships with entrepreneurs & marketers working on stuff on their own. So if anyone reading this is in the process of building some type of tool, app or software for marketers, give me a shout. :)

            (And yes, I'm a big fan of the Sumo team & product, although AppSumo is more about deals and less about actual discovery IMO; although it certainly has been both for me at times. )

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              Sounds like a solid plan!

              Quite a bit of manual work, but I guess you will streamline and automate as you go along 👍

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    I find myself working as a maker / bootstrapper mainly due to my young age, my creativity when it comes to getting ideas for new products, the fact that I tend to have a lot of time for myself and that I am definitely not too skilled to be working for other people yet, so I'm trying to improve and get a lot of experience.

    And in addition to that, why not, how rewarding it feels to finally launch your own product and to start getting some revenue, even if very few or less than the initial investment.

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      What are you making/bootstrapping to get that experience that you mentioned?

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        Just a few weeks ago I shipped https://exposure.cards and realized how much I had to learn with the unsuccessful launch it had - despite getting a lot of praise and attention, many users were confused & I only managed to get a single sale of the premium plan out of the 3.5K people who checked it out. Currently trying to redo it and see what I can do better!

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          Yea, I remember checking it out, but the landing page didn't do a great job at explaining what the product/service actually is.

          I am guessing that was the reason for the low conversions metrics. But, as long as the product is there, the only thing to improve would be the way you present and showcase it to people 👍

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    I've built enough value for the other people's products, I figure it might be time to use my experience to build some things that I'm excited about.

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      Have you started already?

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        Yep, nothing launched yet. I'm working on spinning out an app that my company has used internally into a product. (Don't worry I have full rights to it.) I don't expect it to make much money, but I have what I think is a much more viable product idea on the back burner, so I hope to take what I learn and build that afterwards.

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          Sounds like a plan, good luck with it!

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    Because I believe the only solution to poverty is making work accessible and sustainable. To make work accessible and sustainable, the best vehicle is a profitable business.

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      N. Taleb had a good point that in order to have a society based on meritocracy, people need to have skin in the game and therefore risk, the best way to do that is to have a business 👍

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    Great question!

    For me, this is my dream:

    • Work when I feel like it, in whatever project I feel like it (motivated to), from wherever I want (remote or otherwise). Basically freedom.

    • Create amazing products that passionate me and people love, and be able to live out of it.

    • Generate a passive income so at some point I don't really have the need to work, but rather do it out of pure joy/motivation :D

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      They seem like as good reasons as any :)

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    This is an experience I want to have in life, coming up with a product idea, figuring out how to make it work, launching it, rinse and repeat. I knew it was going to happen, so now im doing it

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      Nice!

      What are you working on and at what stage are you at?

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        I'm working on a food subscription box here in Chicago! It's exciting, I'm still in the beginning phases, but quickly approaching a pre-launch to gather emails/testing the viability of this product. I have spoken with many potential customers through my own outreach (Reddit, users in Chicago, friends + family) and there seems to be a niche market with good traction that I am fitting my subscription into. It's exciting, creating the prototype box early next week as my logo stickers are arriving. A little different than many of the tech products I am seeing on the site haha

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          Nice! What niche are you going to aim for?

          A little different than many of the tech products I am seeing on the site haha

          I feel you :) My business is also a physical product, even though I am still working as a programmer full-time, so I can relate 👍

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    Why: I am completely unemployable.

    Not because of lack of skills, I hope 😆 but because I've never been employed before - just contracted/freelanced/built small software products - and as soon as I try to give up some of the freedom I have, anxiety strikes in to tell me that's a no-go for me. I tried looking for a full-time (remote!) job last fall, as financially it makes more sense in my case, but this feeling always strikes a few interviews in.

    The IH route is the one that gives priority to not having any plans, the ability to wake up one day and go for a walk without having to ask or tell anyone, the ability to work when I'm more inclined to do so (and this varies by day) and deciding my own destiny rather than having someone else decide for me.

    Still trying hard to make the ends meet and hit the right buttons, but I'm here for the long run 🙂

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      Seems like you are self-aware about it, a solid step in having the patience to see it through! Good luck!

      the ability to wake up one day and go for a walk without having to ask or tell anyone

      The definition of freedom :)

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    To be honest, I'm not an entrepreneur for the sake of being an entrepreneur. I do like the autonomy and flexible schedule, but if I wasn't solving a problem for my customers I wouldn't do this. That's what really drives me.

    Sometimes I think it would be easier if someone just paid me a salary to create my app and handle the marketing, sales and customer development. Of course that wouldn't work for a lot of good reasons. I realize marketing is part of creation, and I ultimately welcome the challenge.

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      but if I wasn't solving a problem for my customers I wouldn't do this

      The greater cause/WHY, doing it for someone else 👍

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    All humankind have (sometimes deeply) the desire to create stuff that can do amazing things!

    I like my full-time job, but working on a sideproject has this "effect" on me, having the feeling that you can forge your own path, at your own pace.

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      The freedom to create what and when you want 👍

      It's a big deal!

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    Was this inspired by Simon Sinek? I like it.

    Why? Because I'm driven to be a better version of myself.

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      No, I was listening to James Altucher's podcast with Tony Robbins 🙂

      I had my "WHY" in my head but thought it would be interesting to get it on paper and see what other IH'ers are thinking 🙂

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        I'm a big fan of TR. I have a lot of his audiobooks and put them on whenever I'm walking, on the train, feeling a little down. I can't say enough of how much positive reinforcement helps keep me going.

        It's easy getting discouraged in the world today. All the news and media around us is mostly negative. Unplugging from that and plugging into people trying to affect positive change is huge for me.

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          All the news and media around us is mostly negative. Unplugging from that and plugging into people trying to affect positive change is huge for me.

          One of the few ways to avoid the mass mediocrity 👍

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        If you're curious, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPYeCltXpxw

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          Will check it out, thanks for the recommendation!

          I think I've watched it, but remember it being more product focus, rather than mindset.

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            Good ol' Simon is a good dude.

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              After that ringing endorsement, there's no way I won't check him out 👍

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    In this order:

    • People in the industry need what I'm building to save them time and money

    • Learning new skills/furthering my full-time software day job

    • Hopefully make some money.

    I feel super passionate about bringing something useful to the market. Everything else is a side bonus.

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      Super motivations! In that sense, what are you working on?

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        Thanks! I'm really pumped about it. Love that you asked the question btw, the responses are super interesting.

        It's pretty niche - an online tool for wedding florists to manage all their event admin. I've spoken to a tonne of florists who are struggling to stay afloat because they have no time, and spend hours and hours each week trying to wrangle flower orders and logistics and client payments and invoices etc; I want to fix that, save them money and stress, and make some money into the bargain (I hope!)

        At the moment I'm building it with React + Meteor, and I'm loving the stack. There's a landing page at https://bloombook.io if you want to check it out.

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          I'm a big fan of building a product for a very specific niche!

          I checked it out, good luck with it!

          Drop you a post on IH when you launch 👍