August 6, 2018

Making time to learn: What is your approach?

Hello IndieHackers 👋

we are all pretty busy with building projects and businesses. Every time I take a bit time to soak up some knowledge & ideas I find too many great resources (ebooks, PDFs, blog posts, podcasts etc.) around topics I feel are worth to learn more about - much more than I can process.

I wonder what is your approach to this issue (if you face it)? I'm considering doing dedicated reading/learning days without coding/emails/messages/calls. What do you think?

Cheers,

Peter


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    I think a lot of us can fall into the "learning trap" and having it be fruitless. In other words, if you're too busy learning something totally new because you're too busy actively building something, then I think you've won.

    As @mezod said, we all suffer from too many interests, so that part is sort of inevitable. The best analogy I've come up with is the difference between kinetic and potential energy, which I tried writing about here (http://kanonical.io/potential-energy/ - this is literally the first time I've ever shared a link to something I've written, so go easy!) I really think you learn by making mistakes and trying again.. so if you're focused on doing stuff 80% of the time, you've got it.

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      Hello Greg,

      thank you for encouraging words! Also thank you for sharing your thoughts - here as well as on your blog. It was great to read your article. I like how you draw lines to the world of physics to learning. I guess I'm a bit too much on the Armchair end of the spectrum. I'll check some more of your writing (after doing some more :)

      Cheers,

      Peter

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    I find something to build or a way to work something into what I am currently working on and go HAM on learning it.

    So for example, I want to learn about progressive web apps and how to implement them. Instead of doing a ton of research up front, I will do about 30 min of reading, starting implementing and look things up as I go.

    I am a kinetic learner so I have to do this process to even learn the thing in the first place. It took me a long time to learn what type of learning works best for me. If you haven't found what style of learning you identify with, then that would be step one.

    You can read, listen, watch until your eyes and ears fall out/off but if it isn't jiving with what sticks in your mind the best, it is worthless time spent.

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      Yeah, I'm similar to some degree: I learn best when I do something and write. For some topics (building something) this works well - for others like marketing it doesn't.

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    Peter, I've run into this issue before. So I definitely feel you here. One key thing I've managed to do to help this situation of feeling overwhelmed with the great stuff out there is:

    1. Now I keep a master book list, I track what i've read and what I want to read next. I use numbers (apples version of excel) for this.

    This helps me to reduce the mind clutter around remembering the things I want to read.

    1. Ironically forgot where I heard or read this: "Don't read, just to read."

    But this point here is key. I've stopped reading books just to say I read books. Now, when I read books I'm looking for actionable things I can implement into my work or personal life that FIT ME.

    That's the main thing to be wary of. Every book offers a moral or advice, I find most people who get overwhelmed with their learning and growing as a person are trying to implement every bit of advice they get. Then they get confused.

    "If i'm not staying up and working late, I'm not trying hard enough"

    "I have to implement a miracle morning routine!"

    "I need to do 10 minutes of reading, followed by 14.6 minutes of meditation, eat 2 and 1/4th hard boiled eggs and then practice my gratitude"

    It becomes ridiculous if we don't figure out what we want in life. Then things like reading become just another chore in life.

    Read because you enjoy it. Read to learn something.

    I'll leave one last tip. If you're 1/3rd the way through a book and you think it sucks - even though it was highly touted as a must read. It's ok to put the book down and not pick it back up. It wasn't for you.

    Hope this helps.

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      Hello @MattEhr,

      thanks for sharing your thoughts.

      I'm keeping a rather unstructured list of books in as bookmarks. No special sorting, no categorization, no anything really. I guess making the effort to structure the list (only about 40 books) should give the reading a better approach and me (with limited time) a better feeling of achievement in my reading. I'll get onto this.

      "Don't read, just to read.": I'm doing both. As mentioned to @AlexMartynov below I read to relax as well. I'm not only reading to learn something new. As I mentioned somewhere here on the page before I skip parts and even sometimes drop books (still feels weird).

      I'm going a lot with the flow and not following a structured approach I noticed. Not having my reading organized is one of these. I will get onto this.

      Cheers,

      Peter

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    I'm trying to get back to it, but I used to have a very strict book reading routine with my Kindle. I'd read an hour before going to bed, and any other time around the day.

    Nowadays I've been too busy to do that, but I still take my Kindle to waiting rooms and appointments - it's so small, you can carry it in a jacket pocket.

    In terms of material, I have a rather long queue of stuff to read- I just never finish things because I have no time. :(

    Though one thing I do quite a lot is reading blog posts - I do this very frequently.

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      Hey Sergio!

      Thanks for taking the time to respond! I can imagine you are very busy building getmakerlog.com - big thanks for the great work you are putting in this project! 👍 👍 👍

      My reading got pretty irregular in the recent months. I used to get through a small book or two in a week easily. Now it got so slow that I'm just at 200 pages in after a week and half 🙁 The book isn't the issue - I find it very interesting. Usually I would have finished the 400 pages already. My mindset seems to have shifted. Hence my search for a new approach.

      The backlog of reading material is scary by now 😎 I need to get some structure in this too.

      Cheers,

      Peter

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        I can relate to this - most books are super interesting, but the backlog and work make it difficult for me to finish.

        I've been trying book summaries recently. Not the full experience, but worth it - have you tried them? For most books there's a well written summary out there. These outline the most important things to learn and also applicable tips.

        😀

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          I've gone from summaries back to full books. The time invested has really allowed the knowledge to sink in and it works its way into my daily thinking and conversations. That never happened with summaries.

          Although, I will say - I do like a good summary when the author gives a 50 minute talk version of their book when doing their book tour. Those are the only effective form of summaries I have found and they do quite a nice job.

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            I haven't considered summaries really. I sometimes skip parts of the book if I feel like its not giving me much. I also stop reading when I feel like I got the key idea(s) and the author is just dragging it out to make it look more like a good than a 20 page PDF.

            What is your source for summaries @sergiomattei?

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    What it works for me is starting with a quick read of the (official) documentation, leave it open and start a little & simple coding project, to put your hand on it.

    This makes you start doing questions & decisions that you could solve either reading again the docs or S.O.

    Once you have basic knowledge, I switch to more complex video tutorials (youtube, free lessons on Udemy like sites) and follow relevant people on Twitter.

    If you want a full dive on it, download podcasts/pdf's and listen/read while you are not online, but always trying to make coding projects (it will make you create the environment, front facing problems from start, etc.).

    Hope it helps!

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      Yeah, that works well for a coding related problem. I'm dealing with them in a similar way. I read the official docs (their quality is saying a lot IMHO). Then I jump in building a bit to get a feel. After this I check the problems I found in detail. A little project to work on is great to stumble across actual problems.

      What do you suggest for non-technical problems? Like marketing, SEO, etc?

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        Yes, it's true, is an approach for new programming languages, technologies or libraries.

        If you want non-tech issues for building an enterprise, I would recommend following peoples that are doing it (for instance now there are very good tutorials for working without code, like https://www.newco.app/) and for SEO issues again I will recommend official Google documentation + LightHouse scan to check your performance.

        If you want a HUGE list of resources, you can take a look at: https://github.com/sindresorhus/awesome#business

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    Is your question about finding time to learn or about prioritizing from what resources to learn?

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      A bit a mix of both I start to realize.

      I'm looking mostly for suggestions to a structured approach - how others deal with this. I'm constantly drawn between making/building more and learning more...

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        I definitely can relate to that. For me, reading books is a 'bad habit'. I enjoy reading a lot and it's very easy compared to doing some things which will advance me towards my goals (especially, ones which require leaving my zone of comfort).

        What I do:

        • I allocate some time with lesser priority for reading specifically for recreational purposes - even if I read a useful book. That means that I don't lie to myself that I'm doing something important.

        • I pick several topics annually which are important for my goals and prepare a reading list on these topics. Then I prioritize books from that list over other interesting titles which tend to pop up all the time.

        • I maintain a mind-map list of books. When I stumble on an interesting book and feel the urge to immediately start reading it, I put it on that list. I give it a day or two to sit there and then I decide where I want to read it.

        • I work on my goals and reflect on my progress so that I can find what is missing information-wise. That allows building more appropriate demand for reading and learning.

        Hope some of this might be helpful to you.

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          Thanks for these hints. We doing it quite similar actually. Here is how I do it atm:

          • I allocate morning (and sometimes a bit evening time) when I'm a bit tired to read something more relaxed - without a learning goal. Just something that interests me. I'm reading Endurance from Scott Kelly like this atm. Before I read Burmese Days by George Orwell as part of this.

          • For my development I pick one major and sometimes a secondary topic per year. This is not only reading - it's more learning in general. This year its online marketing (major) to finding ways to promote my side projects. I don't pre-organize my reading material proper - that is a good point to add on. Currently I just pick follow particular streams (e.g. podcasts, blogs, people, etc.)

          • I maintain a bookmarked list of items on Amazon etc. These aren't very organized but I barely manage to get there anyway as work and "relaxed reading" take up most of my time already.

          After your points I feel like I should organize my reading more and ensure it's leading to my goals.

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    I have a reading routine: I read blog posts and tweets from people I know on Twitter and Telegram. I also read a lot of Twitter threads everyday about different topics but in this case it’s related to one of our project. Taking a break to only read books sounds like a good idea, it’s better to find new ideas and focus on what you are learning/discovering.

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      Yeah, I think we work similar. I read a lot of on Twitter too (too much I guess). Sometimes I need to block it in my hosts file to get myself out of the habit of checking it again and again hahah.

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    First thing in the morning do it for as long as you can (if you don't have time on weekdays, go for weekends)

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      Yeah, I'm reading the morning. I just feel like I can't stay put long enough to get through a significant amount of reading really. Maybe an hour - then i get the feeling i got to do something and be productive.

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    I'm facing the same challenge and one thing that worked well for me is switching to podcasts and audiobooks.

    You can listen to them on your commute, at the gym, while doing passive tasks, etc.

    When it comes to blog posts, a great strategy is to follow relevant people on Twitter and focus on reading the content they share.

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      Yeah, I went down that path too. I actually unfollowed all media companies/outlets. I follow almost only people now. People I'm actually interested to talk to. I'm fairly easy to unfollow/mute/block now. That helps to get more focused on actual communication. Doesn't help with learning tho ;)

      My commute is only 5 minutes, so there isn't much I can gain there.

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    This is a good question.

    I practice just in time learning.

    Like, why am I trying to bust churn when I only have 6 customers?

    Instead, I would focus on getting more customers.

    Why would I spend time learning about split testing if the page was getting less than 1,000 visitors?

    In addition to just in time learning, I’m also REALLY selective about what I consume.

    Some content is decent but it matters who it’s coming from. If the person is selling information then they’ll obviously hold some things back. If they don’t sell information then it may be a more candid look at what’s really achievable.

    Lastly, I don’t discriminate about the medium. It can be a book, an article, a video, or a course. That’s irrelevant.

    To sum up, I don’t look for the info until I need it and then I’m super selective about what I consume.

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      Hello Daniel,

      sounds pretty sensible. Whenever I find something that looks decent on the first impression and might become useful in the near future I add it my bookmarks. I know this isn't "just in time" really. But I hope it helps to identify quality sources in this ocean of information.

      I'll try to be more selective on my consumption (good choice of word btw).

      Cheers,

      Peter

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        There’s nothing wrong with bookmarking (I use pocket). It may actually cut down the time you spend searching when you’re ready to learn in earnest.

        Hope it helps.

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          Yeah, I basically agree that bookmarking is a tool to help structuring information. It just shouldn't become a "collecting" thing over a "actually using" thing - that's what I meant.

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    I came to conclusion that most blog posts are.. well.. crap. I won't waste my time on posts on medium and etc.

    Other than this, I do suggest books. I'm not yet full time invested in my sis gig, so I have to travel to work and I use this commuting time to read.

    I'm against dedicated days for reading, but dedicated time sounds good. You can go to a park or other quite place and take a book / kindle with yo.

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      Yeah, I have to agree with you on the quality issue. I usually check the length. If it's too short (under 15 minutes) it's most likely not containing any deeper thoughts and just the regular (marketing) blur. It's not worth reading then.

      My five minutes commute to the co-working space doesn't really work for reading.

      I started making an hour or so in the morning - with a coffee in bed :D That is a great start but after this I'm feeling the need to do something... I can't relax enough to keep going for much longer... :/

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    To me, podcasts and youtube videos are the best way to go. Podcasts allow me to multi-task while listening and I do podcasts while commuting or jogging. Youtube videos are a fast way to absorb knowledge as well since it doesn't require you to read through hundreds of pages and instead watch a summarized version of a certain topic. Absolutely love podcasts and watching informative videos. Best way to learn if you are a busy person :)

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      Hey Dinuka,

      thanks for your response. I love podcasts - more for getting information and different ideas. I personally found videos usually to slow in delivering information. Are you using them to find solutions to particular problems or more to get a general grasp of a new topic?

      Peter

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    Great question. I think about this a lot.

    A philosophy I am fond of is just-in-time learning. This is the idea that we learn something only when it becomes absolutely necessary. Why? Because the usefulness of learning something is amplified if you go on to immediately use it.

    This is opposed to learning for learning sake. Whilst learning is always valuable, it also comes at the opportunity cost of other stuff i.e. building.

    Nathan touches on it in this post (https://hackernoon.com/i-used-to-be-a-skeptic-but-the-first-two-weeks-of-techstars-boulder-have-blown-my-mind-d05c6fc55c91):

    "In the words of Stephen Covey, I was investing all my time in Production and none of my time into Production Capacity. I was constantly chopping wood but never stopping to sharpen my axe."

    I think its important to stop and sharpen your axe, but to do so when it becomes necassary and immediately useful (i.e. you can't progress onto the next step without it).

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    It's nice to explore the internet and find things that are fun to learn about. I have about 20 newsletter about various topics: programming; science; technology; society; religion; health; and others.

    Sometimes I sit in silence with my thoughts and process everything that has happened recently. This helps me discover answers to how I deal with people.

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    In my 16+ years of coding (hobby, study, work, side-projects) I've encountered 2 ways on how to learn:

    1. as a side-project in my spare time (early mornings, after work and weekends).

    Best is to set fixed moments and durations to get going. Actually building a product has proved so much more valuable than learning by example and making all sorts of stuff I never use again.

    Only create small stuff if you're a junior in your field, and not too long... Everyone else: start building product!

    1. During your day job. I shifted work a couple of time, each time I got to do what I wanted (starting with web dev at a big bank > native mobile dev at small company > cross-platform dev at bigger consultancy company > tech lead at startup). Each job gave me more room to explore, develop and create products and a way of working. It gave me room to learn on the job and I had to answer less and less each time.

    #2 is preferred as it adds to your income, doesn't mean investing more time (handy if you're a family man/woman like I am). For personal stuff like my own product ideas, I go to #1. It might take longer but finishing stuff is awesome and you'll learn a tonne of stuff.

    FWIW: I use online free resources. Google is my best friend when developing something, IH and Marc Kohlbrugge's WIP.chat communities keep me motivated and help out, too.

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    I think we all suffer from little time and too many interests.

    I've tried your approach before and it didn't work for me because I couldn't spend whole days "giving up on real action/progress". In other words, I'd be worrying of not doing real work leading to not focusing on learning.

    My approach is more on focusing on a specific topic and committing a bit of time for several days to it. I try to be flexible about it but the broad idea is to begin the day getting shit done, so that I can spend 30min to 2h learning whichever topic I've chosen. It's the idea of doing every day a little bit ;)

    The real challenge here is learning to discard topics. For example, I have a list of things I want to learn (some items are very broad, others quite specific) and I try to prioritize and constantly rinse the list.

    Finally, I'd really encourage you to learn on demand by picking a specific project. I.e want to learn to play the guitar? Have a "play Day Tripper" project. want to learn to code javascript? come up with a simple web app idea and try to get it to work.

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      Yeah, I'm worried it will fail because of exactly the same reasons.

      I definitely got to discard more topics. Im doing this more and more but I think it needs even more. Clean up in any way I'm consuming (twitter, bookmarks, reading stuff I just stumble upon, etc.)

      And well included pitch of your project :D I see how it fits with the topic. I'm generally not very good with this kind of tools. I'll give it try maybe once I established a pattern.

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        I really wasn't trying to pitch! I swear! I just realized how much all my "personal organization" revolves around the concept of every day / breaking down goals. Maybe I should write a post about it hehe! I actually try to outline all the productivity needs I have and the "learning" one always shows up so let me know if you come up with a good solution :-)