Hello! What's your background, and what are you working on?
Hey there! My name is Lior Ohayon and my background is in digital marketing (particularly SEO) for local, e-commerce, and SaaS companies.
These days I work mainly on ScopeLeads, which is a tool that helps other digital marketing consultants and agencies generate leads and reach out automatically. We've been able to grow and succeed among digital marketers because the app caters specifically to them, filtering businesses that actually need their marketing help based on the state of their website.
What motivated you to get started with ScopeLeads?
I came up with the idea for ScopeLeads when I saw a few of my internet marketing buddies getting into the software space. The only thing I knew at that point was the agency life, having run my own for three years.
So I thought to myself, "What is the most frustrating, annoying, expensive, and time-consuming part about working with clients?" The answer: Prospecting. Very few consultants even do much of it, yet I learned early on how crucial it was to always be prospecting in order to keep the pipeline full.
At the time, I was sending physical packages and cold emails to leads in my city. The only one that could be automated was the cold email part, so I leaned towards that. Every Sunday I would create a Google Sheet with a huge prospecting list of people that had bad SEO and could use my help. Then, throughout the week, I would reach out to them via cold email, video audits, and follow-ups, and try to land the deal.
I realized every single part of that process could be automated, from finding the lead, to making sure they needed help, to the audits, and even follow-ups. There were a few tools out there that did list-building, and a few that did follow-ups, but none did it for the digital marketing space, and none of them were combined into one tool.
Thus, the idea was born.
What went into building the initial product?
I'm not a technical founder, so finding a developer I could trust and that could get the job done was a monumental task. It took one and a half years of having developers start, get stuck, start over, and run away (literally), until I finally found one that started from scratch and stuck around. He is still with the team, and is a mean full-stack developer who managed the entire app by himself. I put pretty much all of my savings from consulting into him from February 2016 until our Beta opening in June 2016.
I opened a group on Facebook, allowed a couple dozen people into the app, and away we went. Features, results, iterations, bugs—it was one hell of a ride, but I owe it all to these initial beta testers <3. At this point I started planning a huge launch, and stopped taking on marketing clients.
How have you attracted users and grown ScopeLeads?
The launch date was August 16, 2016. It was planned for months in advance, in a typical "internet marketing" (IM) fashion. JV (Joint Venture) partners, emails, contests, sales pages, upsells, video sales letter, everything.
We got lucky because the launch was originally supposed to be in June, and we pushed it off to avoid colliding with another launch. In those extra two months, we privately sold a package of the software via affiliates (JVs) who were able to fill up webinars with their audience. We did over $200,000 from those webinars alone.
The webinars also gave us traction, as bigger names started to come on board for the main launch when they heard these numbers. Needless to say, it did very well—beyond my wildest expectations—pulling in another $200,000 in revenue in four days.
I had a partner on this launch whose sole responsibility was finding, communicating, and signing JVs in the same niche/industry to promote, and another partner who managed the funnel and everything else. Going through his connections, other leaderboard and contest winners, etc, we signed up thousands of affiliates.
In total, we sold over 4,000 lifetime accounts that summer. To this day, we still rely on the traffic, affiliates and SEO benefits from that initial launch. We do no other marketing except the occasional JV webinar. I recommend any new company to do a public launch in the beginning, and take on partners who've already done it and had successful launches. If you can show them that your beta users got results, you can get them excited about the product.
What's your business model, and how have you grown your revenue?
After the initial launch we switched to a monthly and annual recurring subscription model. It's still important to us to follow proven IM techniques and offer upsells, affiliate products, and more, in order to boost revenue. The app itself is currently making $26k/month with subscriptions, and we also offer other upsells, add-ons, and training that significantly increases our customer lifetime value (CLTV) and just about doubles that figure each month.
I would recommend everyone start off with Stripe and never touch PayPal. We've also switched to Chargebee recently, although some of our subscriptions are still "locked" to previous payment processors, which means we still have to pay ridiculous fees on them and we don't own the customer. Learn from my mistakes!
We still run an affiliate program via First Promoter, and we try to get into as many affiliates' hands as we can. If they teach digital marketing and they have a course or members area of some sort, it usually works well for them to make a video about cold emailing showing our tool, and using their affiliate link.
Our aim currently is to grow our monthly subscriber base and reduce churn as much as possible by really listening to what customers want, and helping them get results with hands-on support and training. We've raised prices and that seems to have held strong as well.
An interesting part of our software is that everything is unlimited, so estimating costs based on resource usage is a juggling act that will never end!
What are your goals for the future?
Our next goal is to hit $40k/month by end of 2019 in subscriptions alone, and to lower churn significantly. This means simply being the best on the market, with a product that gets results. We plan to scale up our SEO, blog, and start with paid ads to accomplish this.
I also have courses planned which will increase the CLTV and would spark an interesting conversation with a potential buyer. We've already been approached to sell, but probably won't be ready until we have something much larger in mind.
What are the biggest challenges you've faced and obstacles you've overcome? If you had to start over, what would you do differently?
The biggest challenge we've faced is a mix of technical and strategy.
Since the majority of our users only paid one time, we now have to deliver what we promised them, forever. This is resource and cost-intensive, and it’s hard to figure out how to balance everything (literally).
If I were to start over, I would definitely start with a recurring model. No exceptions. This was the biggest mistake we've made. Even though the launch provided us with a bit of cash after paying partners and affiliates, it was just a lump sum.
I would also start with metrics and proper reporting very early on. I waited until all too recently to get our billing system and metrics in order, and we're paying the price for it.
Last but not least, understand that if you're a solo-founder and if you're not a coder, you're going to need cash and some guidance in order to understand all the tech stacks out there and what plays well with what.
Have you found anything particularly helpful or advantageous?
I think not sacrificing time for quality (not rushing the launch, new feature pushes, etc) has paid off time and time again.
Go all out in whatever you do, your users will be able to feel it in your product.
What's your advice for indie hackers who are just starting out?
Get a mentor who's been there before, but isn't too big now. If you're at $5k MRR and want to be at $10k, find someone who is at $10-15k, because they've been there before (very recently), and it's fresh for them.
I actually called my competitors and managed to convince one to mentor me, which paid off very well.
My other advice is to focus. Focus on one marketing channel, one feature at a time, one problem at a time. Only once you master it can you move on to the next.
The more you try to put on your plate, the sloppier and more empty your marketing will look. I see many people doing social and content all day long but not seeing returns, because they're on 10 different platforms screaming from the rooftops.
Focus, especially on the basics. Traffic, conversions, and retention. Might seem obvious, but that's what I still preach to myself everyday!
Where can we go to learn more?
Please feel free to ask me anything in the comments below, I'll be active there and on the blog!
—, Founder of ScopeLeads
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