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Beehiiv and Kit are engaged in the most passive aggressive marketing competition ever

Email marketing service ConvertKit just rebranded to "Kit." Their competitor wasted no time "converting" the rebrand into a viral marketing play.

Beehiiv versus ConvertKit

Yesterday, the email marketing company ConvertKit rebranded to "Kit."

It was the culmination of 10 months of work, so the Kit staff was understandably quite excited:

But as they were celebrating their triumph, a competitor was in the video lab cooking up a response.

That competitor was beehiiv. And that response was nothing short of savage:

To the outside eye this might seem like an uncalled-for dig, but this beef has been brewing for a looooong time.

The combatants

Kit and beehiiv are very, very similar. They are both email newsletter platforms at their core, but they brand themselves a bit differently. Whereas beehiiv really leans into their newsletter chops, Kit pitches itself as the "email-first operating system for creators".

But, for all intents and purposes, they provide the same service. Thus, they are competing for the same customer, and they know it.

Both of them have pages comparing themselves to the other, with beehiiv even having a whole article on how to switch from Kit to beehiiv.

More entertainingly for us, they also have frequently taken shots at each other on social media.

Fight!

If you scroll through the pages of Nathan Barry (CEO of Kit) and Tyler Denk (CEO of beehiiv), you'll find example after example of them taking a little shot at the other.

Here's Nathan taking a little swipe at beehiiv's reliance on VC funding.

Here's Tyler dunking on a (alleged) Kit influencer.

Beehiiv having deliverability issues? Expect a sales pitch from Nathan.

ConvertKit hiring a new marketing director? Yeah, Tyler wishes you luck.

Nathan celebrating an all time record month?

Here comes Tyler.

And he's absolutely relentless.

I can go on and on, but you get the gist. These guys have no hesitation publicly going for the other's jugular.

Method to the madness

Beyond the pure joy of dunking on a competitor, these little battles are actually helping both businesses. Why? Because these battles capture eye balls and build hype.

Tyler's latest video dunk got over 200,000 views, and posts like these regularly receive tens of thousands of views.

Considering that you see countless posts comparing the two on X, this is a ton of free marketing.

This "beef marketing" is being used a lot lately, and it consistently works. The Friend AI necklace battle captured the attention of the entire tech world. Supabase and Cal used their beef to go #1 and #2 on Product Hunt. And Kit and beehiiv have pulled in millions of impressions from their beef.

So, if you're an indie hacker looking for an organic marketing boost, it might be time to consider throwing some shots at your competitor.

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    I don't think Kit gets much out of this beef. They make double the revenue that Beehiiv does. I find Tyler's tweets petty about them. To be retweeting comments saying that Kit is a "dying competitor" is just straight-up lying.

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      Think it's just part of Tyler and beehiiv's brand at this point. They want to be the scrappy upstart that kicks ass and takes names, so they aren't afraid of a little scrap on the timeline.

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        Except "scrappy" they are not - rounds and rounds of VC money to fuel growth with generous 50% affiliate kick backs and Mailchimp-like free tier.

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          yep, more investors money being burned for marketing hype.

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    At the end of the day, whether you use Kit or Beehiiv, good email marketing for the average person depends on the content you create and the creator behind it. A fancy email newsletter tool or app can’t help with that.

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      So true. I personally use Substack, and it does the job just fine.

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      I prefer substack, newsletters within beehiiv all look the same.

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    This "beef marketing" approach seems to be thrilling for the community atleast. Anyhow, a great example for startups to learn that the competition is fierce (and the feedback is public), only the very best gain respect.

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    Long-time user of Kit but I'm chewing popcorn over here enjoying the fireworks.

    Founders should think of the Kit vs Beehiiv debate the same way they think of any tech stacks. You should just pick one and then move on with the important work of building, shipping, and iterating. The tech won't make or break you. Iterating slowly will.

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      ”Switching from pens to typewriters didn't make the work better, switching from typewriters to laptops didn't make the work better, switching from film to digital didn't make the work better.”
      A fancy email tool/app won't make your newsletter better 🤷‍♂️

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      Agreed. They are really just the same thing. Pick one and move on.

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        Agreed, they’re essentially the same. Just choose one and keep moving forward!

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  6. 1

    I love this branding twist, wondering how much they spent on that domain name, Kit is an awesome domain :)

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      No, it´s a shitty domain, because it means exactly NOTHING at all! At least ConvertKit had a meaning! Kit could be anything at all without any reference guide!

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    I think this pretty petty behavior from the CEO of beehiiv.

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    Stupid question: does this type of 'marketing' only work on X? What about LinkedIn and co.?

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    Kit has been around longer and has a solid foundation for deliverability, but Beehiiv has been outpacing any other tool in the industry as of late.

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    Been a beehiiv user for a bit and the platform is pretty easy to use and powerful!

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      Actually, when a CEO starts spitting fire against another competitor, especially a bigger one, it is indeed a petty suckerpunch move. I my case, it turns me OFF and keeps me far away from even considering this tool. Mean comments like that could backfire for a lot of other people as well! The best marketing is still to underpromise and overdeliver! Not starting a fire for no reason.

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      yup,I agree. Just choose the one you are the most comfortable with and move on, it's not a big deal

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      Yeah I've used it a bunch in the past, it's solid.

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