Anyone want to record a quick chat episode for the IH podcast this weekend?
I need an episode for next Friday. Does anyone with a product page, > $0 in revenue, and some recent milestones posts want to record something tonight or tomorrow?
I need an episode for next Friday. Does anyone with a product page, > $0 in revenue, and some recent milestones posts want to record something tonight or tomorrow?
Pod Hunt? 😀
Tonight or Tomorrow works for me.
This is good motivation to get us some revenue =P
I'd be happy to chat Sunday, or some other time in the future: https://www.lessannoyingcrm.com/
In terms of milestones, the nearest big ones are ahead of us (user conference, major redesign) but we just celebrated our 10-year anniversary, hired someone, and passed the $2.5 million ARR mark.
I enjoyed the interview and would love to hear more 👍
This warrants a full podcast episode!! 😛
We could have a 30min chat one of those days about the meetup. I would be happy to share helpful tips for others.
I'd love to do this for Leave Me Alone, but maybe after our upcoming launch!! We share all of our stats and revenue publicly and are about to launch v2.0 on Tuesday (24th).
We're actually live streaming our launch from Bali and throughout the day we have some awesome makers and indie hackers joining us on stream to talk about their project or just chat to us about anything - we'd love to have you on if you're up for it? I can return the favour with a quick chat :).
Here's some more details on Twitch. Let me know!
Whats up Courtland! I'd love to be in the queue for the show. Can talk about Veryable (https://veraybleops.com) or the Code Story podcast (https://codestory.co). Looking forward to connecting!
Not quite ready yet @csallen, but you definitely gave me a milestone to reach before the end of the year. 😉👍🏾
I could with https://trackmylift.app
Haha!
My offering of training in a niche programming language probably only appeals to a fraction of a percent of IHers, but If I were selling something to IHers, I'd be all over this.
Seeing the dynamics on here has really had me thinking about the advantage of a "recursive business".
As a customer, I tend to avoid those businesses like the plague but as a creator it's hard not to envy the built-in advantage they have.
I see your point about the recursive businesses, but I also don't think it's accurate to assume that being recursive/meta means being scummy, untrustworthy, low quality, or anything of the sort.
For example, Stripe, Photoshop, Webflow, GitHub, Figma, and VS Code are all technically products for people who make products. They all get a thumbs up from me. I'd love to have started any of these businesses.
Not meta enough for you? Okay, Indie Hackers, Makerpad, and Product Hunt are products about products for people who make products, both of which grew initially by targeting watering holes full of product people. I literally did start one of these, so that's a thumbs up from me. And you're an IH user, so you're not exactly avoiding it like the plague. 😝
I think the best test for something being scummy or low quality is… being scummy or low quality.
For example, you probably shouldn't teach people to be rich by pretending to be rich when you're not. But if you instead go around and interview a bunch of rich people and ask them for their advice, that's totally fine in my books.
So if you want to start a business that's meta and targets a watering hole, go for it. No point in throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I don't think they all are by any means. I almost listed Github as an example! I'm not sure Photoshop or some of the other examples had the sort of advantage I was thinking of or not, so I'll have to think more on this idea.
A more useful test might be whether it's helping people. Someone's marketing strategy doesn't really matter as long as what they sell provides value and they're not clearly causing negative externalities in the process.
In fact, a "how to get rich" course filled with incorrect claims might be fine... if its customers got results. If the vast majority of customers didn't get results, then I would call it a bit low-quality and scummy.
The reason I tend to avoid the recursive businesses "like the plague" when wearing my customer hat is really just Bayesian. They're not all bad, but you've got to consider the odds[1]. This is far from original on my part. Even @naval has said, he has a lot more credibility teaching about wealth by not making money that way.
[1]: Note that this is also true of interactions with actual plague victims!
Makes sense 👍