Hey IH!
It’s been a long week, so I thought I‘d try to do something different this weekend. It’s always good to give back, and hopefully it will also help me recharge.
If anyone at IH has any questions related to IP / patents, ask away, and I’ll do my best to answer them.
(I was a patent attorney in my past life both in-house and in a patent firm.)
Thanks!
JP
Wow, this is an awesome way to give back. And very much appreciated.
How enforceable are employment contracts that say "anything you develop while working for us is owned by us"? And How far does it extend?
I built software for my employer. That software gave me the idea for my startup. I started over 99% from scratch and have done analysis showing <2% overlap in code (naturally a developer might re-use the same variable/function names). I'm confident my former employer legitimately does not own my IP but they have more money/lawyers than me. I'd feel better knowing what I can do to protect myself and how [un]likely a lawsuit is.
Thanks again!
So this is more contracts law than IP/patents, and if it’s very important you should talk to a lawyer.
Generally, there’s nothing to stop someone suing another entity or person. So, I think it’s best to reduce that chance generally (not antagonising someone that might sue, clearly being able to show that you didn’t do anything improper etc).
If someone just wants to make your life miserable, starting a lawsuit is a good one, especially if there’s a huge imbalance in resources like you have here.
I’d say code overlap is only a small part of the consideration.
In Australia (where I’m from and studied/worked), whether your employer owns something that you made “outside of work” is based on how related that thing is to what you’re employed to do. So if you’re a janitor at Microsoft and you develop some software, Microsoft probably doesn’t have a strong argument. If you’re working on a new version of Excel and then you develop your own spreadsheet, they will probably have something to say about that and for good reason. That’s in Australia though. Can’t say about the US, or wherever you are.
If you’re concerned and it might affect your business / startup, do your own research on the topic and speak to a lawyer. It will probably save you a lot of anxiety and pain down the line.
Thanks, you're right that this is contract law. I've been approaching it as IP because it's software but the employment contract is the important part.
I will consult with my corporate lawyer and go from there, I hadn't brought it up thinking it was outside her realm.
Thanks again,
Enjoy your weekend, don't burn in a brush fire, and I hope next week isn't as long.
Thanks mate! Good luck with it all, I’m sure it’ll be fine. :)
Just read about Jeff Bezos 1-click patent. I do not have the resources to get a patent on a simple yet novel way. Suppose I am using a novel way for something for a year & a new entrant starts now but gets a patent on that. Will that mean the end of my using it?
No, generally speaking if you can prove that you’ve been doing something before the relevant date of the patent, you’ll not be found to infringe.
Patents are not meant to stop people from doing what they’ve been doing previously, they’re meant to stop people from copying new inventions.
Thanks for the reply. :)
not sure if you do any biotech, but how come some naturally occurring antibodies seem patented, even though generally you can't patent naturally occurring things?
Yeah I haven’t done much biotech at all as my background is things that can be hit with a hammer :) (mech eng).
But afaik, patenting of things like antibodies or genes are related to the not “naturally occurring” components, like in isolated sequences, method of isolating them, or their use for instance.
As to what is a “natural phenomenon” or “naturally occurring”, vs not... who knows, and I guess that’s one of the reasons that it’s a controversial area of law, and is still evolving (no pun intended). It’s also very different between jurisdictions... not to mention policy or social implications.
Does that help?
yeah it does, thank you so much!
thanks in advance!
what is the best way to trademark a logo / name? how long does it take approx?
Well, there’s usually just one way to register a trade mark - it’s with the trademark office in the jurisdiction that you are interested in. It might be the USPTO in the US or EUIPO in Europe for example.
I would say that: generally, go through a proper trade marks attorney to register a mark, even though it costs money.
But before you do that, read about what registered trade marks are, what purpose they serve, and whether the investment is worth it for YOUR business and what you’re trying to achieve.
Remember that various bits of IP are assets that you acquire through investment. It should fit in with your overall business and strategy.
Hi JP thanks for doing this
I've had an idea to build an application for restaurants. While doing some research I found out that one of the competitors has a patent on the application I want to build
Is there something that can be done or should I just give up on my idea?
Thanks
Cris
Hi Chris,
Well, it all depends. The scope of a patent is defined in its “Claims” section. I’d start by finding out whether the patent has been granted (or is it merely a patent application), where it’s been filed, and reading the claims.
Without knowing anything about the patent or your app idea, generally it’s unlikely that someone has a patent so broad as to preclude everybody else from an entire field. Based on what you’ve said that, I’d be long way from just giving up on the idea altogether if it were me!
Cheers!