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Banned by stripe!

Hello,

We were recently banned by stripe because of excessive chargebacks. They said the main reason is that we do a free 30-day trial that converts into a paid subscription. I'm extremely frustrated at the way stripe handled it (banned with 5 days to migrate).

  1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a safer payment processor with subscription support
  2. Does anyone know how to mitigate those types of chargebacks? My thought was to present a Google calendar link to remind them of the renewal.
  3. Any other suggestions on how to make sure people won't do chargebacks?

Thanks in advance!

on June 14, 2019
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    I mean, it sounds like you need to change your business model first and your payment processor second. I've been doing subscriptions for over two years now and only one person did a chargeback ever.

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      do you give a 30 day free trial that converts into a paid plan???

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        No and clearly your customers don't appreciate it and/or do not expect the charge. Otherwise you wouldn't be receiving so many chargebacks.

        Remember: it's all about what they think. Doesn't matter how hard you try to do something or how badly you want it to happen, if they don't like it or don't get it needs to be changed.

    2. 1

      How can someone contact you? There is no email or Twitter handle on your bio.

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    Did any of your customers complain about being charged? If so, did you issue a refund or just cancel them?

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      We would issue refunds to anyone who asks. We ran into an issue when one customer issued a charge back for 5 charges simultaneously. I'm all for the consumer being able to dispute charges, but the % charge back rate should be calculated per customer, rather than per charge. Otherwise a competitor could easily pull a coordinated attack on your business

  3. 2

    It looks like these thresholds are imposed by Visa, not Stripe. 1% does seem extraordinarily low, though... and Visa will be reducing it to 0.9%!

    Does that mean that if just 1 of my first 100 customers who pay through Stripe disputes a charge, then I’d be kicked out? That seems crazy!
    No matter how good a merchant I am, there’s always that chance of an upset customer going with the nuclear option!

    I was planning to integrate Stripe into my sales process next month, but this certainly makes me pause!

    I’d love to hear from someone at Stripe about this issue.

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      Absolutely. I'll never do business with stripe again. It's too risky. Looks like authorize.net is the safest bet

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    Why bother collecting credit card info upfront when "no credit card" has been proven to convert better for sales again and again?

    The "gotcha" benefit of charging people who forget to cancel is outweighed by the risk of chargebacks from those who get pissed off that they forgot to cancel.

  5. 1

    I have a client who used authorize.net without complaints. The fees may be higher.

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      That's who we went with. Thanks

  6. 1

    Okay, so a few questions:

    1. What business is this for? You have no profile product information, and no contact information. Your previous posts here allude to the space of either eCommerce/Amazon listing or some sort of influencer marketing. And a wild guess that it's not AmzBlitz, but maybe SellerSEO? Those spaces can be highly speculative, so you'll probably have to do a lot to educate and/or attract the right customers. Many of them will quickly label you a "scam" if they don't immediately get the lift they're expecting, do a chargeback, and complain to their 17 followers on Twitter.

    2. You're offering a 30 day free trial then you automatically convert them into a paid plan... I'm guessing you're not notifying them with a series of drip emails before this happens. That would, like, make them run away, right? I used to think this. Well, generally users are more accepting if they're reminded of their impending payment, say a week out, 3 days out and 1 day out. Then you can honestly say you did everything you could to be up front with them.

    Fast thoughts

    1. Make sure you're targeting the right customers, ones who know what to expect of your product or service so you minimize the risk of falling short of expectations at the point you charge them.
    2. Nurture those customers through drip campaigns to make them successful. If your business requires them to "do stuff", then make it as easy as possible so they get the best results. The most vocal opponents can also be huge cheerleaders if they're successful with your product.
    3. Put a cancellation button on your site. If they come in 24 hours or so after you charge them, make it so they can automatically get a refund. If you're hesitant, just wire it up to a contact form so you can perhaps ask them why they're cancelling, then do it manually if they still want to.
    4. Warn those customers at incremental times about when and what they'll be charged. I'd be somewhat miffed if a company I signed up for a trial to a month ago just charged me $99 but I haven't gotten a single email since I'd signed up. It looks sneaky.
    5. Customer education, targeting and success depend a bit more on the market you're in, so you'll need to elaborate.

    -- Jimmy

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      Thanks for all your feedback, really appreciate it. We would sent a reminder 3 days before renewal, we have an easy to find cancellation button on the site. If anyone contacted us to ask for a refund within 30 days we would refund them.

      After this experience, however, we will be much more in people's faces about what to expect, and when to expect it. Including multiple email drips about renewal and how to cancel.

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    1. Try Stripe's competitors, like Square.
      2 & 3. Send email reminder to people - most companies do like this these days. Or send email to users to confirm the official transition into paid subscription -> if no confirmation, then no charge. Or don't do free trial. Or do the first month 50% discount to filter all the people who are only interested in free stuff... it will depend on how your users interact with your product. There are a lot of solutions. Maybe you can ask some users why they stop subscription.This will help.
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    As far as I know its a threshold % and you must have went over but 5 days does seem like a short time to react...let us know what you went with

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      yes, it's 1%... which is insanity.

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        1% of gross receipts?

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