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Big tech going passwordless. Any indie hackers doing the same?

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/05/apple-google-and-microsoft-commit-to-expanded-support-for-fido-standard/

While Github is adding 2FA, tech giants are going the other direction and removing passwords. Anybody else doing the same? Nod to @j01b01 for linking me to it.

submitted this linkon May 9, 2022
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    This is cool - thanks for sharing.

    I implemented sign-in via email link (using Google Identity Platform), which isn't quite as frictionless as FIDO, but is passwordless as well. AWS Cognito supports this too, and presumably other providers.

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      That's awesome. Are your users liking it? Is your product for technical users or non-technical? It seems like technical would be up for that but some non-technical users might be thrown off...

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        Too early to know what my users think, but there aren't many downsides.

        As a user, the first time I encountered email link login, I was a bit thrown off. No password? Is my account even protected? But as others have said, with increasing popularity of the mechanism, this ceases to be a problem.

        Google's documentation lists a number of advantages of email sign-in:

        Low friction sign-up and sign-in.

        Lower risk of password reuse across applications, which can undermine security of even well-selected passwords.

        The ability to authenticate a user while also verifying that the user is the legitimate owner of an email address.

        A user only needs an accessible email account to sign in. No ownership of a phone number or social media account is required.

        A user can sign in securely without the need to provide (or remember) a password, which can be cumbersome on a mobile device.

        An existing user who previously signed in with an email identifier (password or federated) can be upgraded to sign in with just the email. For example, a user who has forgotten their password can still sign in without needing to reset their password.

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          Nice, thanks for sharing!

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    I am. I launched https://superblog.ai without a signup form cause I prefer a passwordless approach. Received some flake from few people, but till date there is only "Login with Google" and "Login via Magic Link".

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      How's it working out so far?

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        It is going great. Most people love it!

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    Yep: We use emails with signin links using Mailersend. We also support OAuth for connecting to people's cloud accounts, but mails seemed like a nice simple solution for our account sign-in.

    Nobody has complained about it yet, so I'm going to assume it works for people. ;)

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      Sounds like it, nice!

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    Hey! @inmypjs thanks for the mention. Hopefully it's implemented before Github's 2FA requirement.

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    I think it's a matter of time before this change flows down to smaller companies. Seen this several times: Big companies X, Y Z do something => smaller companies take notice and do the same.

    This would even be faster for passwordless logins IMO because many people log-in to Apple/Google/Microsoft consistently and this will create an "expected way of doing things".

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      Totally agree. Probably a good idea to get ahead of the curve!

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    Seems like a no-brainer to me

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    We're also slowly transitioning to a passwordless solution, although it has some drawbacks for non-technical people because they can be uncomfortable about it, but there is so much room to improve overall security.

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    Most people probably reuse the same password on multiple websites which might not be the smartest choice 😅. So signing up with an email link would prevent that behaviour and you would automatically have verified the users email as well, which is a nice side-effect.

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    I implemented a login via email link on TabWhale, but some users didn't like it. Having to open your email and click a link is not as straightforward as a social or user + password login. Also, it's unconventional, since the majority of sites use other methods.

    But I like it, it's one less password to memorize.

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      I think it'll become increasingly normal, then you'll get fewer complaints

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    I have implemented passwordless sign in for my app usewildfire.com using Magic.link and so far, its going good. I don't have many users to ask whether they like it or not. I implemented it because i loved signing in via email id instead of remembering password for each site.

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      Nice, glad it's working out for ya! Has it had any impact on your numbers — retention, etc.?

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        I don't have any idea on that unfortunately because I have been using magic.link from day 1.

        But what I do know(from my logs) is that all my users have signed quite quickly(within just a few seconds).

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    How long till it's available for the small fish? 5 years?

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      That's a good question. Sounds like a lot of indie hackers are opting for magic links though, so that could help for now.

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    It’s a low priority. I have 2FA. I also use identity provider services like aadb2c that manages the login process consistently

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      Why do you use 2FA? Does your product handle very sensitive data?

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        Some projects are in healthcare space

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          Makes sense.

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    Yep! But I use a simple WP plugin to manage it - it provides an email link to login.

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      Nice, what's the plugin?

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        It's called passwordless login. I've just started using it, and haven't pushed it to live yet, but so far it has worked perfectly