Hello fellow hackers,
I am about to start building Testkit in public, even though I've already gone through quite a bit of building already.
I have a relatively small following on Twitter, so my question goes out to those who started in a similar position: Is it worth it? Should I start building in public and grow with it, or should I grow first before building in public?
Excited to hear about your experience!
P.S. if you want to follow this journey, you can follow me here: https://twitter.com/xyassini
It depends on your goals.
If you want to build in public for marketing and to attract customers, it might work. But it is not as easy as it seems.
You can’t just share your features and expect to attract customers. There should be something more in tweets than just your product.
I would recommend traversing the tweets of @danielnguyen. He is a rising star (next @tonydinh if you wish). Daniel does it with the right proportion between value and promotion of the product.
And it depends if you can find your target audience by building in public.
But if you want to have fun, make new friends, and train your marketing muscle, it is worth it. But don’t expect a lot.
Dmytro said everything I want to say!
BIP is a long-term strategy to gather people/community around you + your work. If you try it and feel natural and happy to share + get feedback + grow a circle, then keep doing it in small ways to train your muscle. If you find it stressful, then you can try other ways!
Because it is a long-term thing, it is hard and also rewarding at the same time.
These tactics like BIP/outreach/SEO/content are not mutually exclusive too.
Because many of my thoughts were inspired by you, Kevon 🙏
You added a super important keyword. It is a long-term strategy.
The impact of this LTS/ethos, increased overnight with openAI chatgpt. It is the first platform that I am aware of that is showcasing BIP.
I am a chatgpt plus subscriber, and happily paying as they sort out kinks, continued their build phase of the NLP engine. They launched with a bare bones UI (which is actually my preference as I love distraction free).
Every tool that uses the openAI API and goes for a cash grab, or a free that is not so free tier.. is the OPPOSITE of BIP.
A term for 'opposite of BIP' is needed to help delinate all apps. Allow citizens to filter for BIP in every aggregator platform. Create a transparency score like TrustPilot to help the lay citizen make the BIP 'value' more tangible (aka grab hold of something)
FM, overnight chatgpt challenged the SEO strangle-hold on the internet. Trust and transparency are now key design elements as citizens no longer have to use google search. They, can use chatgpt , de-noised, distraction free search. I have not used google search since signing up in Feb. I direct hit any URL. I have also noticed the other change is I have joined more discord /community groups too.
For me it is an ethos rather than LTS. I person is either of the mindset where they value trust and transparency, or not. No sitting on fence. It is a core value. You cannot fake it til you make it. Trust is not of that nature. Transparency is an outcome of one that values trust. Yes, it will impact every decision. It is a place of vulnerability and so will take courage.
Trust once broken, takes min 3:1 ratio to rebuild. More often 9:1 ratio. As simple as failing to be transparent around the constraints in your pricing model. If a citizen has to sign up, test, to discover the constraints, the developer has revealed their true nature -- they don't value another's time. They don't value their own product as they are hiding behind signup.
Thanks for your thoughts! Will definitely see through their posts, looks super interesting!
Good luck with your journey, feel free to chat/DM.
I see you have at about 300 followers. The question is: do you know at least 10 of them? Have you built a relationship on a personal basis with them? Like, have you talked with them about other things except product building or software development?
I think we are mistaking the audience for large followers count.
Is it worth it? Yes! I can share 3 Twitter profiles with 300 followers that make more than 10k MRR. Is it harder without an audience? Definitely. But the audience is the folks you interact with. It won't make it easier to build a product if you have 30k followers and you have no idea who they are.
Loud 10 followers that know what you do is more important than 30k numb and mute followers.
Awesome way of thinking about the audience! I actually do know more than 10 followers personally. Thanks for your thoughts!
It’s absolutely worth it! Think first of engagement with others in the community. Show people you’re a strong participant and contribute with useful insights. The followers will come!
I thought BIP would be a good way to keep myself accountable but it just felt like extra work and I was paralyzed by indecision about what to share.
I would love to know what you are considering in terms of approach: Is it every day, like a standup with just you, yourself, and your followers? Is it weekly milestones / learnings?
Honestly, I thought I would just share something when I have something. Could be some feature that I'm working on that I'm excited about, an interesting marketing channel I found, but also thoughts about other things that aren't too "promotional".
@NikUf also gave me a good advice: Also post about stuff that don't have anything to do with building. For instance, a good book I'm reading, an exciting place I'm visiting, or a movie I just saw. That would give my Twitter a bit more personality :)
Building Arrchiver.com in public for accountability + a good way to organize thoughts. Not trying to win a Pulitzer, just trying to document wins, struggles, losses, etc. I keep it to weekly(ish) but that's not a hard and fast rule. I hope once I have more product I BIP a bit less, but especially at the early stages it's been good for me to drive small milestones.
BIP doesn't have to be exclusively "we shipped xyz" this week. Talk about your struggles, your learnings, and your roadblocks.
I like the product that you are building, best of luck!;)
I think building in public is cool, however it becomes a bit boring for people to follow a person if all he/she shares is progress update and 'marketing threads' to attract more followers. If you could add a 'pinch of soul' to your Twitter, like what you do before or after coding, what song you are on, or even what type of coffee you drink while coding - that will make it more interesting imho.
Have fun!
Awesome advice, will definitely do that! Thank you! :)
Think of building in public as something to share with ppl, but also to keep track of your own progress and to hold yourself accountable.
True, holding myself accountable would be an awesome benefit. I don't need an audience for that! :D
@yongfook on Twitter is a great example of how this can go well!
Just make sure you have a compelling story (which will give people incentive to follow you)!
Just keep building and promoting. You'll never know which piece of content will go viral
Hey! I have been doing the same thing: building in public and started with almost literally 0 audience.
I think the two most important things are:
For me personally, I've decided to post a VERY detailed video every Friday on YouTube going over everything I did during the week. And a week or two ago I started using TikTok to share bite-sized updates.
It's still a slow process of growing the audience, but it is working. I would do it just for the accountability alone (though I am a solo founder so I think it helps more in that case), but I'm finally starting to get some audience interaction through people reaching out to me or commenting, etc.
Good luck!!
Interesting topic. I think transparency is a very important engine of gaining interest. Transparency only works when you're consistent, not only with development but your communication, as well.
There's a certain threshold when it'll make a noticeable difference but first you have to start the journey and commit to it. There's no halfway transparency.
Kind of random but related: while I'm an investor myself, I personally believe crypto is very overhyped and most of the projects aren't worth anything. There's still one example, Cardano that's been developed transparently for years now. The result is a mixed reception: there are people who believe Cardano will change everything, and there are doubters who believe Cardano is vaporware. It's because Cardano's communication is very upfront and straightforward about their progress and failure. So when you decide to build in front of the public eye, be ready for a mixed reaction and hard criticism.
But beware: transparency has to shape realistic expectations. Most of the time when people turn away from a product, tool or service is that their expectations aren't fulfilled. Expectations have to be treated as the first phase of interaction with your product because that's when you create the frames your product has to perform within. Make expectations work and count for you!
Awesome insight! I think the same about crypto - I heard a lot of good things about Cardano though, especially about their transparency!
At first I thought "Building in Public" meant people can actually see what you're doing. Because that's exactly what I've been doing daily, for myself or various companies in the past twenty years. See... I develop Free Software and whenever I write a patch, it is pushed in public place and everybody can see it. And then sometimes I discuss it with other people, in public forums and public chats.
The notion of telling people about the code you're working on without actually showing them the lines would not be something that I find appealing. And it looks like a lot of work in addition to writing the code itself. What if someone asks you questions they could trivially answer by reading the code? What if, to explain how you're doing something the best way is to point to lines of code?
So... my advice would be to "Build in Public" by publishing the code from day one under a Free Software license. That won't solve your marketing problem though.
That's one way to interpret building in public! :D
Though I think there's much more to building a product than just the code. The code is worthless without everything else around it. For instance the marketing efforts, deployment, finding early users, etc.
I wouldn't necessarily only post about the code itself, or new features that I'm building.
I'd much rather publish some insights, things I've learned, etc. - stuff that is interesting to others, where they can learn from, especially when it comes to mistakes I've made or things that work well. Code is only one part of the story for me. :)
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Yes feel you, but being an invisible founder rarely works, unfortunately! I see it as a fun challenge, and trying different things makes it even more fun! :)