22
90 Comments

Everyone agrees the problem is real. Nobody will actually try the thing that fixes it

This is the part of building that's messing with my head right now.
I built something that solves a problem I know is real, because I've lived it for years and so has everyone I've worked with. And when I talk about the problem, people get it instantly. They nod. They tell me their own version of the story, usually worse than mine. The problem lands every single time.
Then I point them at the thing that fixes it. And they just... don't.
Not "I tried it and it's not for me." That I could work with. Real feedback would be a gift right now. It's more like a polite nod and then nothing. They agreed the wound exists, they agreed it hurts, and they still won't put the bandage on. Even when trying it costs them nothing and takes two minutes.
I've started wondering if I'm misreading the whole thing. Maybe agreeing a problem is real is just a cheap thing people do to be nice in a conversation, and it has almost nothing to do with whether they'd ever change what they actually do about it. Maybe the gap between "yeah that's annoying" and "I'll change my workflow" is so much bigger than I assumed that I built the whole thing on a foundation of polite agreement.
So I want to hear from people who've been here. When everyone validates the problem but nobody adopts the solution, what's actually going on? Is it positioning, is it trust, is it that the pain isn't actually as sharp as they say in the moment? And how did you tell the difference between "this is a real business that just needs better distribution" and "this is a vitamin people will praise and never buy"?

on June 30, 2026
  1. 1

    The nods are free, so the thing I look for isn't whether they agree, it's whether they'd already rigged something up before I showed up. A spreadsheet, a Zap, a manual Sunday-night ritual, anything. If people already duct-taped a workaround, the pain is real and what you've got is a distribution and trust gap you can actually close. If you dig and nobody bothered to hack anything together, it ranks too low to move money, however hard they nod.

    The version that fooled me longest was the opposite failure: a problem that's real and expensive but so invisible people don't even know to build a workaround for it, so there's nothing to point at. Absence of a workaround doesn't always mean no pain. Sometimes it just means nobody has connected the cost to the cause yet.

    So before you touch positioning: what are the people who agree actually doing about it today? A blank answer is the verdict.

  2. 1

    This is the whole game, and I think the answer is friction, not belief. Agreeing "the problem is real" costs them nothing; actually trying your fix costs time, a signup, a context-switch, the risk it won't work — each one a reason to not do it today. The founders who crack this shrink the "try it" step to almost nothing: a result before signup, a free taste that works in 30 seconds, doing the first step for them. You're not fighting disbelief, you're fighting inertia. Make trying easier than ignoring.

  3. 1

    Living this with Settle right now. Every freelancer we talk to immediately gets it — they'll do the math on the spot, "yeah I'm losing $150 on every big invoice to Stripe fees." Then you show them the fix and they just go back to what they were doing.

    The thing someone said here about the pain being ranked 15th feels exactly right. It hurts in the moment but it doesn't break anyone's day, so it sits in that pile of things people learn to live with. What we're testing now is making the switching moment as small as possible, because the gap between "yeah that sucks" and "I'll actually change how I invoice" seems to be almost entirely about how much effort the change requires, not how much they want the outcome.

    1. 1

      The "ranked 15th" framing keeps coming up in this thread and it's sticking with me. Makes me think the real question isn't "is the pain real" at all, it's "where does it rank against everything else competing for their attention today." A real pain at position 15 loses to a fake pain at position 2 every time.

  4. 1

    This is exactly where I'm stuck right now, so let me share what I'm seeing and what I think is actually going on.

    I run a small SEO + GEO project on the side — two sites, a free online tools hub and a coupon/discount site. The problems are textbook real. People complain about clunky file converters and never finding working promo codes every single day. I built the fixes. People nod when I describe them. AI crawlers have started picking some content up. But actual signups and clicks are still a trickle.

    What I've landed on after a few months: the gap isn't trust or even awareness — it's the activation cost. People agree "yeah that tool is annoying" but they already have a workflow, even a bad one, and switching feels more expensive than the irritation. The polite nod is real validation, but it doesn't cross the activation line.

    The move that's been slowly working: instead of selling the solution, remove one specific moment of friction at a time. I cut my HEIC converter down to "1-click, no upload UI, files process in browser". Signups moved. Not a flood, but moving.

    For your "real business vs vitamin" test, the question I'd ask is: does anyone use it twice without being reminded? If first-time use is high but return use is zero, it's probably a vitamin with great copy. If both grow together, you have something real.

    Are you measuring repeat usage separately from first-time, or are they blended in your analytics?

    1. 1

      Honestly, no, I haven't separated those two numbers yet, and reading your comment I think that's a real gap in how I've been looking at this. First-time try with good copy can happen for a vitamin too. Repeat use without a nudge is the harder signal to fake. Going to start tracking that split instead of just conversion on the first visit.

  5. 1

    I am in the exact same spot right now so I do not have this fully figured out. But I have a theory that has helped me a little.

    The gap between people agreeing a problem is real and people changing their workflow is not about whether the pain is real. It is about whether the pain is urgent right now. People have a hundred annoyances they have learned to live with. Yours is real and they will nod because they genuinely feel it. But learned to live with is the key phrase. They built a workaround years ago and the workaround is good enough that switching feels like more effort than just staying annoyed.

    The nod is not fake. The problem is real. But real and tolerable is a vitamin. Real and I cannot get through my day is a painkiller. Most of us think we built a painkiller when we actually built a really good vitamin.

    The way I have started telling the difference is watching what people do the moment the pain actually hits. Not in a calm conversation where they are being polite. In the moment they are stuck and frustrated and looking for anything. If they reach for your thing in that moment you have a painkiller. If they only nod about it later over coffee you have a vitamin.

    I am still figuring out which one I built. But the free trial adoption is telling me more than any conversation ever did. People who are actually in pain use the free thing immediately. People who are just being nice never open it.

    Not sure that is the answer but that is where my head is at right now. Following this because I need to hear what other people say too

    1. 1

      "Real and tolerable is a vitamin, real and I cannot get through my day is a painkiller" might be the clearest line in this whole thread. I think I've been selling to the first group and hoping they behave like the second. Watching what happens in the actual stuck moment instead of the calm conversation is a good instinct, going to try building that into how I talk to people next.

  6. 1

    Wow, this one really hit a little close to home!

    Couldn't agree more, I've already seen this play out time and time again whilst describing the nature of the online platform I've been building. Almost unanimously, people I describe it to will laud the idea, say it has tremendous value and tell me it's something worth pursuing.

    However, when I kindly ask them to establish a presence on the platform, something that should take no more than 1 or 2 minutes of their time, I run square into a brick wall. It seems like nobody will do it.

    I'm also keen to hear about how some businesses have managed to overcome this. I feel like many people have an inherent scepticism about new things and new solutions nowadays, so without the social proof, they're unwilling to take the plunge or make the change.

    1. 1

      One or two minutes and still nobody moves is a strong signal on its own. If the ask is genuinely that small and it still doesn't happen, I think that's less about skepticism and more about the pain not being active enough in that moment to justify even a small interruption. Curious if you've tried catching people right when the problem is happening instead of when you're describing it to them afterward.

  7. 1

    So true — a complaint isn't validation, someone has to actually change behavior. I.e. it can be very simple - stop using pen and paper and run the app. I recognised people were not going to use Webb app/saas without a real iOS/Android.

    1. 1

      Yeah, the behavior change part is the whole game. A complaint costs nothing, changing a habit costs attention, and those two are easy to confuse when someone's being polite to you.

  8. 1

    The tell isn't whether they agree the problem is real, it's whether they already spend money or hours working around it today. Painkillers replace something people already pay for: a VA, a spreadsheet, a competitor they tolerate. If nobody has a hacky workaround they already hate, the pain is real but ranked 15th on their list, and praise costs them nothing while switching costs them a habit.

    1. 1

      This is a cleaner test than anything else in the thread. Not "do they agree" but "do they already spend money or hours working around it." If there's no existing workaround they hate, the pain is real but it's not urgent enough to have cost them anything yet. Going to start asking that directly instead of asking if the problem resonates.

  9. 2

    ### ~ SOLUTION ~ ### ~ ### ~ SOLUTION ~ ### ~ ### ~ SOLUTION ~ ###

    Ironic, because this exact gap is why most startups run the wrong tool stack for years. Every founder "agrees" their tools don't fit their stage anymore, they just built a workaround (a spreadsheet duct-taped to Zapier) instead of switching, because switching costs more attention than the mismatch costs them.

    I ended up building softrankings.com around that exact insight ranking tools by company stage instead of generic category, because "best CRM" means nothing if you don't say for a 3-person pre-seed team vs a 200-person Series B. Curious if you've seen this pattern in your own stack, not just in user interviews.

  10. 2

    This matches something we ran into hard, and it changed how I read "agreement."

    We built an AI-visibility tool for local businesses. Every owner agreed the problem was real ("yeah, I should come up when someone asks ChatGPT for a plumber"). Cold outreach still got us almost nothing: seven careful, personalized emails, zero replies.

    Then we did one in-person talk to a room of local business owners who already knew us, offered the exact same thing, and several tried it that afternoon.

    Same offer, same "agreed problem," completely different behavior. What flipped wasn't the pain or the pitch. It was the channel and the trust. The agreement was never the bottleneck. A cold link from a stranger doesn't carry enough credibility to beat "I'll deal with this later," and a person they trust handing it to them does.

    So for ReqBrief I'd worry less about whether the problem is real (it clearly is) and more about finding the moment where someone has garbled requirements in front of them AND a source they trust is telling them to try your thing. For us that was a warm room, not any online channel. For you it might be an agency lead recommending it to their team, or a community where you're already a known voice, rather than a cold audience that just "agrees."

    1. 2

      Since you mentioned looking for a warmer way to test things instead of cold posting, here's an easy one: if you've got a real (or messy) client brief lying around, send me the gist and I'll run it through what I built and send back the structured version myself. No signup on your end, just curious if it holds up outside my own demo scenario.

    2. 2

      This is the most specific and useful reframe in the thread so far. "Cold link from a stranger doesn't carry enough credibility" explains a lot of what I've been running into without realizing it. I've been treating every channel as equally cold, posting into threads like this one is closer to your failed outreach emails than to your in-person room.
      Makes me think the next test isn't a better post, it's finding one warm room, even a small one, a Slack group where I already have some presence, or someone who'd actually vouch for it to their team. Appreciate you naming that so clearly.

      1. 1

        Glad it landed. Your second instinct is the whole lesson: threads like this one are cold even when the audience is right, because nobody here has a reason to trust either of us yet. One warm room beats ten cold posts, and small is fine - ours was about 25 people and it outperformed everything else we tried combined.

        Your no-signup offer above is smart, by the way. "Send me the gist and I'll send back the structured version myself" makes you the trusted channel instead of asking a stranger to become one. Same lesson from the other side.

        Good luck with the warm-room test. Report back - curious whether it converts for you the way it did for us.

    3. 1

      This comment was deleted 6 hours ago.

  11. 1

    I'm right at this stage with PM OS, so I don't have the answer, but here's
    a pattern I've noticed: the people who nod and vanish are usually agreeing
    with the problem, not the cost of their current workaround. "SOWs take
    forever to turn into project plans" gets instant agreement, but if their
    current method is "a junior PM spends half a day on it," the pain is
    distributed and invisible to the person I'm actually pitching. It's not
    costing them two minutes of visible suffering, so trying my fix doesn't
    feel urgent even if they intellectually agree it should.

    What's helped me is stopping at "yeah that's annoying" and asking directly:
    "who actually does this today, and what happens if it's done badly?" If
    they can't answer specifically, it's probably a vitamin for them, even if
    it's a painkiller for someone else in their org. Curious if others have
    found a sharper filter than that.

  12. 1

    I relate to this so much. Building the product turned out to be the easier part. Selling it is a completely different skill.

  13. 1

    I sell automation to ecommerce store owners, so I am living this exact wall: everyone agrees support load is painful, almost nobody tries the thing. Two additions to what is already in this thread:

    For products that act on someone's business rather than just show them something, the two minutes was never the real cost. The buyer is weighing a bounded, familiar pain against an unbounded imagined downside: "what if it says something wrong to my customers." The nod is them agreeing about the pain. The not-trying is them pricing the
    downside. What moves that is not a better pitch, it is visibly capping the downside: read-only first, a sandbox on their real data, or the tool only proposing actions that a human approves before anything happens. The trial has to answer "what is the worst this can do to me" before it answers "what does this do."

    And when even a capped, free, two-minute trial gets nods and nothing, I have started flipping who does the trying:
    stop asking them to try it, ask permission to run it for them for a couple of weeks and hand them the results. That converts a behavior-change decision into a permission decision, which is a much smaller yes. It costs me time and does not scale, but at zero trust nothing scales anyway. The point is to buy those first receipts everyone in this thread keeps talking about.

    1. 1

      The "flip who tries" idea is new to me and worth stealing. Running it for someone instead of asking them to run it turns a big ask into a small one. Curious how you handle the handoff after, do they ever go from "you ran it for me" to actually adopting it themselves, or does it tend to stay a service you provide?

  14. 1

    This describes exactly what I'm experiencing right now.
    I'm building Convert2Print, a tool that prepares AI artwork for professional printing.
    Almost everyone agrees the problem exists once they see the examples.
    But turning that agreement into action is the real challenge.
    I'm starting to think the product isn't the biggest barrier—earning enough trust for someone to upload their first file is.

  15. 1

    I've started treating "that's a real problem" as almost meaningless validation. The signal I am looking for now is whether someone will spend 5 minutes trying the product. Behaviour has taught me more than interviews .

  16. 1

    The polite-agreement-as-social-lubricant thing is real but I'd push back slightly on the conclusion. Before writing it off as politeness, have you tried asking them what they're doing instead right now, not as a pitch setup but as a genuine question? If they describe a real workaround with real steps, the pain is probably sharp enough and the problem is distribution or trust. If they shrug and say "nothing really," that's when it's probably a vitamin.

    1. 1

      Not properly yet, no. That's become the clearest theme across this whole thread, ask what they're doing right now instead of whether they agree with the problem. Going to actually do that this week instead of nodding along with the advice.

  17. 1

    The gap between "agrees it's a problem" and "will try the fix" is usually a trust or effort tax, not a demand problem. Are people rejecting the specific solution, or resisting the behavior change required to adopt any solution? Those need completely different positioning.

  18. 1

    This is the gap that quietly kills pre-launch founders "the problem is real" and "people will change their behavior to fix it" are two completely different claims, and we treat them as one. Enthusiasm validates the problem. Only money or repeated unprompted usage validates the solution. I've watched a product get universal "yes this is a real pain" and near-zero willingness to actually switch. What's the thing you built that everyone agreed with but wouldn't try?

    1. 1

      Building an AI interview tool that turns a client conversation into a project brief. Every agency owner and freelancer I've shown it to agrees the brief-quality problem is real. Almost none have tried the demo yet, even though it's free and takes two minutes. Reading this thread, I think I've been measuring agreement and calling it validation.

  19. 1

    living this exact thing. I built an AI skills assessment (aisa.to) — everyone nods when I explain the problem. companies agree they can't measure AI skills, individuals agree they don't know where they stand. then nobody takes the test.

    the pattern I've noticed: agreeing with the problem is free, but trying the solution forces you to confront the possibility that you're part of the problem. nobody wants an assessment that might tell them they're worse at AI than they thought. the gap between 'this should exist' and 'I'll actually use it' is identity threat, not product-market fit.

  20. 1

    I build with an ADHD brain, so I've watched this from both chairs — and I think "nobody adopts" gets misdiagnosed almost every time.

    Agreement is the cheapest currency there is. "Yeah, that's a real problem" costs a person nothing and makes them feel kind, so it tells you almost nothing about what they'll do. We read the nod as a green light. It's not even a color.

    The trap I fell into is nastier: I built a fix that needed the exact thing the problem takes away. A tool to help you start is useless in the moment you're too frozen to start anything. That's not a weak product — it's a fix aimed at someone who, by definition, can't reach for it yet. Wrong moment, not wrong idea.

    So I quit trusting words and started hunting for spend. Have they ever paid — money, time, or a duct-taped workaround — to solve this before? If yes, it's real and you've got a distribution problem. If nobody's ever spent a cent, it was always a "huh, interesting" — never a need.

    Genuine question for the thread: the ones who nodded and ghosted — had any of them already tried to buy their way out of it first?

    1. 1

      Good question, and I don't actually know. I've been so focused on the moment they see the product that I never asked what they'd already tried before that moment. Might be missing half the signal.

  21. 1

    Dev tools have this problem even harder imo. A developer can agree the pain is real and still not install anything because every new tool is another thing that might break their flow.

    The first win has to be almost immediate. Not “trust me, this will help later,” but “oh, this saved me from my own mess right now.”

  22. 1

    the trap is thinking you're competing with the pain. you're not. you're competing with the workaround they already built and stopped noticing. once someone has duct-taped around a problem for years, the duct tape is invisible to them, it's just "how things work now", and free-and-two-minutes still loses because the real cost isn't the two minutes, it's ripping out a habit that currently works.

    and "yeah that's so real" is mostly social. agreeing bonds you in a conversation, it says nothing about whether the pain clears their action threshold. the signal that actually predicts adoption isn't "do you agree this is a problem" (everyone nods), it's "what are you doing about it right now". if the honest answer is "nothing, i just live with it", it isn't ranked high enough to spend a behavior change on, no matter how hard they nod.

    so i'd stop pitching the nodders and go find the people already hacking their own janky fix for this. those are the only ones who've proven the pain is expensive enough to act on. agreement is table stakes. an existing workaround is the actual buying signal.

  23. 1

    Agreement is the cheapest thing anyone can give you and behavior change is the most expensive. The gap between those two is where most early stage products go to die, not because the problem wasn't real but because agreeing it exists costs nothing and changing how you work costs everything.

    The question about what someone is currently doing about the problem is the right filter. If the answer is nothing, the problem probably isn't painful enough to act on yet. If the answer is a messy workaround they've been doing for months, that's a completely different conversation.

  24. 1

    Ran into exactly this building for HVAC contractors. Every single one agreed they lose leads by not responding fast enough. It hurt them, they knew it hurt them, and still almost none would try the fix.

    What broke the pattern for us: the difference between chronic pain and acute pain customers.

    Someone who "loses leads sometimes" is in chronic pain — annoying, but they've adapted around it and their survival instinct isn't firing. They'll agree the problem is real and go back to their day.

    Someone who just lost 3 jobs in a week because a competitor called back faster is in acute pain. They're not nodding politely — they're actively looking for whatever will stop the bleeding. Same product, completely different conversion rate.

    The tell is in how they describe the problem. Chronic: "Yeah I probably miss some leads." Acute: "I got home from a job site and had 4 missed calls and none of them booked."

    Stopped pitching to nodders. Started finding the ones who were already mid-bleed. Changed everything.

    1. 1

      Hey, following up on that thread. Since you were sharp about the chronic vs acute distinction: if you've got a real (or messy) client brief lying around, especially from a project where the client was mid-argument with you about scope, send me the gist and I'll run it through what I built and send back the structured version myself. No signup needed, just curious if it holds up on an actual acute-pain case instead of my demo scenario.

    2. 1

      Chronic vs acute is the sharpest distinction in this whole thread. "Yeah I probably miss some leads" versus "I had 4 missed calls and none of them booked" are not the same person, even if they use the same words to agree with you. Going to start listening for that specific tell instead of just the agreement itself.

  25. 1

    The real cost of a problem is shown in the lengths of the effort someone will put through to solve it. What workarounds are they going out of their way to employing to solve it? Or is this a problem that they say is painful, but actually they've learned to live with? This is the difference.

    What you said is right: complaining about a shared problem is an effective social bonding artifact, but it's a low effort signal that doesn't represent how the problem actually presents in their life, and it definitely does not signal that they're willing to learn a new tool and change their behaviour to solve it.

    So, without knowing more, my recommendation is this:

    • Ask them what they're doing to solve the problem, so you can understand if they're actually trying to solve it.
    • Ask them to show you, so you can understand how much effort it costs them to do it.
    • Understand, comparatively, how much effort it takes for them to adopt your product (yes, watch them use it for the first time), so you can understand the difference.
  26. 1

    This has been messing with my head too. I'm starting to think getting someone to agree the problem exists is a much lower bar than getting them to change their behavior. I'm still trying to figure out where that gap comes from.

    Have you tried sitting with someone while they actually try it? I'm wondering if the gap is between agreeing with the problem and seeing enough value in the first few minutes to change their routine.

  27. 1

    There's a version of this specific to developer tools where the visible receipt problem is structural. I'm building a monitoring tool (GoBeep) where a working integration produces nothing — no signal, no receipt, just silence. Success looks exactly like "nothing happened." The only visible output is a failure alert, which doesn't come until something actually breaks.
    So you get users who integrate it, hear nothing for a few days, and quietly remove it because it feels inactive — even though it was working exactly as intended. The "cheap first try" is easy; the "visible receipt" is architecturally delayed.
    The fix I'm landing on: a manufactured early signal — a test alert that fires in the first 10 minutes to confirm the loop is actually closed, before any real job fails. It doesn't prove the core value, but it closes the loop for the user so silence stops reading as inactivity. Feels obvious in retrospect. The instinct against it is "I don't want to spam people with fake alerts," which is the wrong instinct.

    1. 1

      The "silence reads as inactivity" problem is a genuinely different shape than what everyone else in this thread has been describing. Most of us are dealing with people who won't start. You're dealing with people who start, get no confirmation, and quietly assume it failed. The manufactured early signal is a smart fix, and I think you're right that the instinct against it is backwards. A test alert isn't spam, it's the product finally saying something back.

  28. 1

    The gap you're describing usually isn't about whether the problem is real — it's about urgency vs. switching cost. "Polite nod then nothing" most often means real-but-not-urgent: it genuinely hurts, just not more than the friction of changing their workflow today.

    Two diagnostics that helped me tell the difference:

    1. Have they already built a hacky workaround — a spreadsheet, a manual checklist, a duct-tape process? If yes, the pain is real and you're not competing against a rival, you're competing against their duct tape. Position around ripping out that specific tape. If they do literally nothing about it, it might be a vitamin.

    2. Watch what they do the moment something breaks, not what they say in a calm conversation. Painkillers get bought when the pain spikes. If you can identify that trigger moment and show up right then, adoption follows.

    One counterintuitive thing: "costs nothing, takes two minutes" can actually work against you. Frictionless-but-vague sometimes converts worse than higher-friction-with-a-clear-outcome, because the tiny ask reads as "one more thing" instead of "the fix." Worth testing a version where you make them do a little more, but for an obvious payoff.

    1. 1

      The frictionless-but-vague point is the one I hadn't considered. I've been assuming lower friction is always better, but if the ask is too small it might read as unimportant rather than easy. Might be worth testing a slightly heavier onboarding step if it makes the payoff undeniable instead of ambiguous.

  29. 1

    There's a timing dimension that I think sits underneath the positioning question. "Agreeing the problem is real" and "feeling the pain right now" are two completely different states, and only one of them converts.

    We build a tool that timestamps creative files on the Bitcoin blockchain — proof of prior existence for photographers, musicians, illustrators. The problem validation is instant. Every creator we talk to has a version of "yeah, someone once took credit for my work." The adoption rate on the free tier is brutal compared to what the conversation would predict.

    What actually works: finding people who are in the pain right now, not people who had it last year. Someone who just found their photo uncredited on a commercial website doesn't need convincing. Someone who had that happen two years ago nods enthusiastically and then doesn't log in. The abstract validation of the problem is almost worthless as a buying signal.

    The vitamin vs. painkiller question might actually be a timing question more than a product question. The same thing can be a vitamin or a painkiller depending on whether the person is standing in front of the problem right now. Finding the channels where people are actively experiencing the pain — not just aware it exists — changes the conversion rate completely.

    What's your product? Curious whether the people who don't adopt are people who recently experienced the problem or people who remember it happening once.

    1. 1

      It's called ReqBrief, an AI tool that interviews a client about a project and turns the conversation into a structured brief. And to your question: mostly people who felt the pain a while ago and moved on with a workaround, not people mid-pain right now. Which after this thread might explain a lot.

  30. 1

    Stop testing whether the problem is real and ask what they're already doing about it today. If they've hacked together a spreadsheet or some manual workaround, you have a painkiller with a distribution problem; if the honest answer is 'nothing, I just live with it,' the pain isn't sharp enough to change behavior and no positioning fixes that. Nodding is free, but changing a workflow costs attention, and people guard attention harder than money.

  31. 1

    The visible receipt point is the important part. A lot of products that ask people to change behavior die because users don't get immediate proof that the new action paid off. I ran into that with DictaFlow: the hold-to-talk mechanic only clicks when the text appears exactly where the cursor already is, and if you add a second box or review step, people nod along with the idea and never build the habit. Lowering trial friction matters, but making the payoff obvious in the first 10 seconds matters even more.

    1. 1

      The 10-second window is a useful constraint I hadn't put a number on. Most of what I've been thinking about is the decision to try it at all, not what happens in the first few seconds after they do. Might be leaving a lot on the table there.

  32. 1

    I relate to this a lot. One thing it reminds me of is the book The Mom Test: once a conversation starts to feel like a pitch, people can become naturally agreeable. So I think the context of how the feedback was collected matters a lot. Were people describing the problem from their own workflow before seeing the product, or were they reacting after being shown the solution?

    I’m learning that “the problem is real” can still mean a few different things. Sometimes it is a real buying pain. Sometimes it is a symptom of something deeper. Sometimes people are happy to rant about it, but the workflow change, trust cost, or timing cost is still too high for them to try a new product.

    So I’d probably look less at whether people agree the problem exists, and more at what they already do when the problem happens. Have they tried to solve it before? Are they paying for anything around it? Are they hacking together a workaround? Do they ask for access without being pushed?

    I’m in a similar place right now, so I really feel this. I also think this is one of those things almost every founder has to go through. The only way through it is to keep talking to the people who feel the problem, watch what they actually do, and slowly figure out where the real pull is. Like others have said, this is the “do things that don’t scale” part of building.

    1. 1

      That question actually cuts right through it. Most of my validation happened after showing the product, which The Mom Test would call exactly the wrong order. If someone's reacting to a solution instead of describing their own workflow unprompted, I'm probably measuring politeness, not pain. Going to flip that order this week and see what changes.

  33. 1

    0this is the whole game. the gap usually isn't awareness, it's trust. people know their current process is broken, but "the thing that fixes it" asks them to hand over control of something high-stakes, and the imagined downside of it going wrong feels bigger than the steady pain they already tolerate. so the fix that actually wins isn't a more convincing pitch, it's lowering the cost of trying it once and showing proof it worked. a cheap first try plus a visible receipt beats a better argument every time.

    1. 1

      That's a good addition to this thread. The "visible receipt" part is what I think most of us, myself included, have been missing. We've been focused on lowering the cost of trying it, but not on showing proof it actually worked for someone else first. A cheap trial with no evidence attached is still asking for blind trust, just a smaller amount of it.

      1. 1

        the 'smaller amount of blind trust' framing is sharp, that's exactly what a cheap trial without evidence still is. and the receipt doesn't need to be elaborate: a screenshot, a timestamped confirmation, anything a skeptical stranger can check themselves outperforms another paragraph of copy. proof shrinks the ask. a discount only shrinks the price of the same leap.

  34. 1

    Living this exact thing right now — 1,700 signups on my tool, ~20 actually building. So I've been forced to figure out the "agree but don't adopt" gap, and here's where I've landed:
    "The problem is real" and "I'll change my workflow" are two completely different claims, and people say the first to be nice. Agreement is cheap; switching is expensive. The pain being real isn't enough — it has to be sharper than the pain of changing what they already do. Most tools lose right there: the status quo is annoying but familiar, and yours is better but unfamiliar, so inertia wins.
    What's actually helped me tell "real business, bad distribution" from "vitamin they'll praise and never buy": stop watching what they say about the problem, watch what they do the moment you hand them the fix. If they won't spend 2 minutes trying it, the pain isn't top-3 for them today — no matter how hard they nodded. The ones who drop everything to try it are your real market. The nodders are noise.
    Still figuring out how to get more of the first kind and stop chasing the second. What's your split been — do any of them try it fast, or is it nods across the board?

  35. 1

    This hits close to home. What I've found is that there's often a gap between "awareness pain" and "action pain" — people readily agree a problem exists in conversation, but the disruption cost of changing their workflow (even a tiny change) still outweighs the discomfort of the status quo. The wound doesn't actually hurt right now in the moment they're talking to you.

    A test I've started using: ask them to show you, live, how they currently handle the problem. If they can immediately pull up a messy workaround or spreadsheet, the pain is real — you probably have a distribution or trust problem. If they struggle to even demonstrate the workflow, the pain likely only surfaces in conversation.

    The vitamin vs. painkiller framing is right. I'd add one more filter: are they actively searching for a solution on their own, or do they only think about the problem when someone brings it up? The latter group rarely converts no matter how good the product is.

    1. 1

      I finally came across an answer I absolutely loved. It really resonated with me and the analysis was spot on! Hahaha.

    2. 1

      This whole comment is gold, Tommaso. The "awareness pain vs action pain" split is exactly what I've been failing to name. And funny timing — I just looked at LifePilot, the "stop rewriting the same list, AI acts on your goals" framing is sharp. We're fighting the same adoption problem from different angles. Would love to trade notes sometime — I'm building in the same space (ontology-driven, but same core bet: the tool should act, not just store).

      1. 1

        That distinction, pain that surfaces only in conversation versus pain that's actually being felt right now, might be the cleanest filter in this whole thread. Going to start watching for whether someone brings up the problem unprompted versus only when I raise it.

  36. 1

    Been in exactly this spot, and the thing that finally clicked for me is that agreement is a social reflex, while adoption is a budgeting decision that lives somewhere completely different in someone's head. A person nodding at your problem spends nothing to do it, so they'll agree to be kind even when the pain ranks nowhere near the top of their day.

    The test I lean on now is boring but it works: before pitching anything, ask what they're already doing about the problem. If they've built a messy spreadsheet, duct-taped two tools together, or they're paying for something worse, then the pain is real and you've got a positioning or trust gap, which is the fixable kind. If the honest answer is 'nothing,' they've been living with it fine and your bandage is solving a paper cut they stopped noticing years ago.

    'Free and two minutes' is also carrying less weight than it feels like. Two minutes of a new workflow plus the quiet risk it won't stick is still more than the zero effort of just continuing to complain about it. Cheap doesn't move people on its own, and if the pain were really costing them they'd have gone looking before you ever showed up.

    So I'd shelve the demo for a week and just collect what people do today. If a handful are already hacking around it, you have a business with a messaging problem. If nobody is, you found a real annoyance that nobody's willing to pay to remove, which is worth knowing early.

    1. 1

      Yeah, the two hurdles being separate is the part I keep underestimating. Thanks for laying it out clearly.

  37. 1

    This really resonates because it's easy to mistake agreement for validation.

    I've started thinking that there are actually two separate hurdles: first, convincing people the problem exists, and second, convincing them that changing their current workflow is worth the effort. Those are very different challenges.

    People often adapt surprisingly well to inefficient processes. If the workaround feels "good enough," even a better solution can struggle to create enough urgency for adoption.

    This is a great reminder that solving a real problem isn't enough on its own. The perceived cost of changing behavior has to be lower than the cost of living with the problem.

    1. 1

      That's a fair point, trust is its own separate hurdle on top of everything else in this thread. Appreciate you adding that angle.

  38. 1

    That makes a lot of sense—I’ve run into the same thing. I feel the competition is really intense right now, especially for paid services. People tend to focus on low-cost but high-quality options, and lack of trust is also one of the reasons they hesitate to take the first step.

    1. 1

      Good question, and honestly not properly yet. That gap is exactly what this thread just helped me see. Planning to actually ask that this week instead of assuming.

  39. 1

    This is an interesting point. I think agreeing with a problem and paying to solve it are two very different things. Have you spoken with users who actually tried your product to understand what stopped them from taking the first step?

    1. 1

      Not yet, and reading your comment I realize that's the actual mistake. I've been asking about the problem, never about what they're already doing today to deal with it. Fixing that this week.

  40. 1

    I've been here, and what helped me was realizing that "takes two minutes and costs nothing" is founder math, not user math. Their real cost isn't your two minutes. It's breaking a habit they've already made peace with.
    So now I don't ask whether they agree it's a problem. I ask what they're already doing about it today. If they've rigged up a workaround or pay for a worse tool to cope, it's real and you mostly have a distribution problem. If they just shrug and live with it, that's probably your answer too.
    When you show it to people, have you asked what they do instead right now?

    1. 1

      "Will you use this, starting Tuesday" is a better question than anything I've been asking. It forces a real commitment instead of a hypothetical, and hypotheticals are exactly where the polite nodding lives.

      I think I've been asking "would you use this" because it feels less pushy, but you're right that it's also less honest. Going to try swapping that question out this week and see what actually happens to the answers.

  41. 1

    What you're describing has a name, even if it doesn't feel like it yet. The gap between "yes this is painful" and "I will change my behavior" isn't a distribution problem or a positioning problem. It's a switching cost problem that most founders misread as validation.
    When someone nods and says the problem is real, they're telling you the truth. But they're describing their current state, not their future behavior. Changing a workflow, even a broken one, requires them to absorb uncertainty, learn something new, and trust something unproven. The pain has to outweigh all of that combined, not just exist.
    Your last question is the right one. The difference between a real business and a painkiller people praise without buying usually shows up in one place : what happens when you ask someone to commit to something small and specific, not just agree that the problem exists. Not "would you use this" but "will you use this, starting Tuesday." The answer to that second question tells you everything the nodding doesn't.

    1. 2

      That PH story is brutal and exactly the pattern. "That's what I've been paying $9/mo for" and still 2 upvotes tells you the pain was real but the moment was wrong. I think you're right that recurring pain beats conversational pain every time.

      To your question, I've mostly been testing in threads like this one, which is closer to your "tweet link" end of the spectrum than the DM-in-the-moment end. Now I'm wondering if that's the actual problem, not the product or the pitch. Might try finding people mid-workflow instead of mid-conversation next.

      1. 1

        Mid-workflow is the right instinct. The tricky part is knowing exactly what your user is doing right before the pain hits. For file tools, that moment is probably pretty specific.
        What does it look like for yours?

        1. 1

          For mine it's probably the exact moment a client sends over vague requirements or the kickoff call just ended and someone has to turn "make it modern and clean" into something buildable. That's usually done through a form or just memory, right when the ambiguity is freshest. I think I've mostly been reaching people well after that moment, when they're just talking about scope creep in general instead of sitting inside a live project. Your question is making me think I should be looking for threads where someone's mid-argument with a client right now, not just reflecting on the pattern afterward.

          1. 1

            That moment you described is really specific and that's actually a good sign. Most people can't pin it down that precisely.
            If the pain hits right at the kickoff-to-brief gap, you probably already know, at least roughly, where those people are when it's happening. Not where they go to vent about it afterward, but where they actually are in that moment.
            The thread approach you've been using isn't wrong, it's just catching people after the fire, not during it. Which is why the conversations feel good but don't convert.
            Have you ever tried to find someone mid-argument with a client, not mid-reflection?

  42. 1

    Product Hunt launched 20 hours ago and I hit the textbook version of this — 121 free file tools, no signup, files never leave the browser, everyone I gave the pitch to said 'wait, that's what I've been paying $9/mo for?', and total upvotes finished at 2. The gap between 'ha, that's a real problem' and 'let me open the tab' is enormous, and I think what you're describing isn't nihilism about your product — it's the default resting state of anyone whose current workaround already works well enough. The pain has to be either recurring (they'll hit it again this week) or sitting right next to the moment they'd try you (in the middle of the workflow, not in a conversation about the workflow). Curious what channel you're testing on — the friction of 'in a DM while they're in the actual pain' vs 'a link in a tweet' seems bigger than any product-level trial friction.

    1. 1

      The frictionless free tier point is the one I keep coming back to. I think I've been treating "it's free and takes two minutes" as if that erases the switching cost, but it doesn't, it just lowers it slightly. Someone still has to stop what they're doing and trust something unproven.

      Your read-only scope example is a good benchmark. If someone won't even do the zero-risk version, that's a much cleaner signal than anything they say. Curious how long you let that signal build before you believe it, one no versus a pattern of nos?

  43. 1

    The distinction that's helped me most: watch what people do with the free, no-commitment version, not what they say about the pitch. I made my first tier truly frictionless, no card, one property connected, specifically because I didn't trust my own conviction that the problem was as sharp as I felt it. If someone won't even connect a read-only scope that costs them nothing, that's a stronger signal than any nod in conversation. A few people who honestly didn't have the problem still nodded politely to be nice. The ones who did have it went and tried the free thing mid-conversation, unprompted. That gap between "yeah I get it" and "let me try that right now" is basically the whole signal.

    1. 1

      That reframing, "do they have this problem" versus "is it painful enough to change what they already do," is basically the whole thread in two lines. Appreciate it.

  44. 1

    I think there's often a difference between someone acknowledging a problem and feeling enough pain to change their habits.

    People adapt to inefficient workflows surprisingly well. Switching means learning something new, trusting a new product, and accepting the risk that it won't be worth the effort.

    In my opinion, the real question isn't "Do they have this problem?" but "Is this problem painful enough that they'll change what they already do today?"

  45. 1

    I believe the solution to it lies in not fighting back the whole scenario - cause humans by nature have evolved with a brain who has intrinsic properties of letting things be the way they are until they see someone else being benefitted by it or gain something. If you are saying that they nod and agree to the scale and existence of problem but not moving towards the fix - its somewhat because they dont have enough proof, be it in sense of other people using it and getting benefitted, be it fomo, or just the sense of reliability, I might be wrong but like this is what I thing from my experience - if you see from first person's pov you might understand what I'm saying!

    1. 1

      That's a sharp point, the product only ever gets tested by people who already have the context. Never occurred to me that the missing step might just be exposure to a total stranger's eyes.

      1. 1

        Yes, that is the whole point - you know the snowball effect right that how a small piece of snow starting from the mountain peak can turn to a large ball down the valley, its just that we need to understand human psychology more than building a solution, or distribution or any fancy terms cause in all steps at their core are the humans who are involved!

        1. 1

          Fair point. Psychology first, tactics second. Appreciate you sticking with the thread.

          1. 1

            No need to thank, just found the topic intriguing so sticked to it - thanks for taking it in a healthy way!

            1. 1

              Appreciate the exchange either way.

  46. 1

    I noticed the same gap with email rebuilds. People agree the messaging is broken in the call, then go back and open their last campaign and it looks fine to them, because they already know what it means. The product never gets tested against someone who has zero context, only against people who already understand it. That might be the missing step, not trust or pricing, just nobody actually using it the way a stranger would.

  47. 1

    I wonder if there is another step between agreeing the problem exists and believing it is worth changing today's workflow.

    People can sincerely acknowledge a pain point and still decide, often without realizing it, that their current way of dealing with it is "good enough" for now.

    To me, that is a different question from whether the problem is real. It is a question about the perceived cost of change.

    That is why I think behavior can be misleading without context. A lack of adoption does not automatically mean the problem is unimportant. It may simply mean the value of changing has not yet outweighed the comfort of the existing habit.

    Understanding that difference feels more useful than trying to label the product as either a vitamin or a painkiller too early.

    1. 1

      That's a sharper way to frame it than I had. The perceived cost of change versus the comfort of the existing habit, that's exactly the gap I think I've been stepping over without noticing.
      It makes me think the actual question I should be asking people isn't "is this problem real for you," it's something closer to "what would it take for the current way of dealing with this to stop feeling good enough." Those are very different conversations, and I've only been having the first one.
      Curious if you've found a way to actually surface that second question without it sounding like a sales pitch in disguise. Because the moment it sounds like persuasion, I think people's guard goes straight back up.

      1. 1

        I have found it helps to keep the focus on their current workflow rather than the solution.

        Instead of asking, "Would you use this?", I ask something like, "What keeps you using the current approach?"

        Even better, I sometimes think it helps to offer a few neutral possibilities and let people choose what fits best:

        • It works well enough.
        • Changing feels like too much effort.
        • I do not trust a new approach yet.
        • I just have not thought about changing.

        People often recognize their answer more easily than they can generate it from scratch. It feels more like understanding their workflow than persuading them toward a solution.

Trending on Indie Hackers
I sold $6,773 in 2 weeks, with almost no existing community. User Avatar 52 comments Ferguson is LIVE on ProductHunt today... so I audited their homepage first! User Avatar 37 comments The hardest part isn't building anymore User Avatar 33 comments Why Remote Teams Stop Talking (And Don't Even Notice It) User Avatar 33 comments Built a local-first Amazon profit-by-SKU + QuickBooks/Xero journal tool. Looking for founding users. User Avatar 27 comments Before you build another feature, use this workflow User Avatar 20 comments