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Given up with Tech Co-Founders

I know this has been said before, but I need to get it off my chest.

I've spoken to countless amounts of tech guys on here, via email, messenger, or even in the comments and it all goes so great and then.... no reply.

I had one guy say "sorry this isn't for me" which is absolutely fine, and thanked him for.

But what I CANNOT stand is being blanked, especially after speaking to them for weeks about the project, telling them every detail - to end up with 0.

I've given up trying to find a tech co founder and moved back to Upwork to find a freelance web app developer. Am I wrong in doing this?

Honestly right now I'd rather burn my money into a freelancer than deal with this anymore, no joke.

Sorry for the ranttttt :D

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on April 28, 2020
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    I think what you're experiencing is the honeymoon phase with projects. I'm not sure why developers lose interest, but I'm sure it's not personal, and I think a lot of times what you'll find on here is that techies will often sabotage their own projects before they even get off the ground.

    When projects start, the possibilities are endless. Everything is exciting and everyone is thinking about what the product could be. Soon, after the newness has worn off, you're left with all of the work that you now have to do and the project is less sexy.

    Finding a good Co-Founder is more than just knowing whether someone can code something. In fact, I've even told people who I regularly have meetings with that I would not be a good tech fit for their project simply because I'm not passionate about the thing that they're trying to make, even though I think they're incredible people.

    Purpose and passion are the main things that get me through my ruts. After the fresh, exciting, honeymoon phase has ended, I persevere because of that purpose. Purpose creates clarity, and clarity lets you realize your roadmap.

    I'm not sure what kind of vetting process you have for finding a tech co-founder, but perhaps spend a bit longer talking to them before jumping in. Some people just have really busy lives and their side hustle gets pushed lower in priority when they're busy (I think this is also a good reason why you should be passionate, because any distraction or loss of focus could easily be the end of a project)

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      This was SUCH an insightful response, I have nothing to say back but thank you

      much appreciated

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        I had an old tech co founder (25% owner) who made the (bug littered) site in like a two days, and then literally just ditched after that. Still owns 25%...

        Should I tell him we hit revenue this month? hahaha

        Moral or the story, don't be a honeymoon person. if you're going to start spending time on something, make go damn sure you finish it too!!!

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            If other people stop being honeymoon people, then it will help me find a devoted co-founder.

            I'm sorry if what I said offended you, but I sincerely meant it in a jokey way, which I obviously portrayed poorly reading over again

            The moral I can take away from this is to realise not everyone has the same mindset as me (good and bad), and that I should respect people for their actions and reasons regardless if it aligns with me or not

            thank you for your response, you have made me reflect on myself a lot

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    Have you looked into no-code? Is your venture something that you can build your MVP yourself?

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    funny (sorry) -- i'm reading this after posting an idea for how to address this type of problem

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    Hey Louis,
    the problem isn't only with finding a tech co-founder, it's a problem the other way round as well. I've been looking at projects and dealt with my fair share of problems too.

    Something to remember is that you're asking people to work for free essentially. So some would say that they don't have to be professional ?

    Upwork is a joke. The most broken place I've spent time on.

    That said. I'm open to projects, so if you have a document with the basic idea of your app/website that you can send me, I'll have a look.

    AND, as an added bonus, You will hear back from me :D
    My email address is in my profile

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      probably very true.

      Yeah I will get in contact with you if this current techie im speaking to doesn't work out

      thank you very much, much appreciated

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    I agree with most what other commented, but want to suggest some other approach that might work for you.
    It seems that everyone thinks that co-founder should be the same person who will be coding the product?
    From my perspective the tech co-founder should be a software architect, or I worst case situation, a team leader or senior software developer.
    Such co-founder should be able to suggest technologies and people needed to do the actual coding. Also he should be ready to invest some money in order to contribute for the coding activities, along with other founders.

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      That's a very intriguing perspective, one that I would align to very much

      I like that they also have to 'pay' their part, as paying freelance software developers or agencies requires a deep pocket - one that shouldn't fall on one individuals shoulders

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    That definitely sounds hard. But I think it's more of a people problem than a tech-cofounders specific problem. People don't think twice when ghosting internet strangers. I used to feel terrible about being ghosted but I've learned to live with it.

    Don't have much helpful advice other than to hang in there and keep trying, friend. Have none of the people you've talked to given you any solid reasons as to why they don't wanna work with you?

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      People problem defo - I should generalise techies hahahah

      One person said they just wasn't passionate about the project, but that is about it

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    Hate to say this but either you're talking to the wrong kind of developers, offering a bad deal to them, or may just need to work on your sales skills.

    Just my personal experience but I've been able to convince devs to join me for all of my prior projects before. (maybe i'm just lucky though)

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      I've had a couple take up my offer but they just weren't experienced enough to complete the project

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        ah i see, so are the more experienced ones ghosting you then?

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          I'm not quite sure as half the time we didn't even get to the point of speaking about their capabilities.

          But perhaps this is true, them being excessively experienced would mean that they have an abundance of options to choose from, and a never ending email proposal list

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    Rejection is part of the game, take it as learnings.

    Sometimes you have to get 10, 200, 30, 67 NOs, to get 1 YES.

    Think of all the NOs as valuable lessons you learn from books, blog posts, mentors, etc. It's valuable, but only if you learn from it.

    Ranting is healthy.

    I'm in the same boat, happy to be a resource!

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      I don't mind getting no's, actually that's kinda what I'm after - I just don't want to be ghosted!! hahahaha

      Thank you for your response mate, very much

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    I spent months working with agencies while trying to find a tech co-founder at my last company and eventually settled on someone. Emphasis on settled.

    This time around, I'm proving the concept by building an MVP in Bubble and getting revenue coming in. Cofounders, like investors, will be more interested in something proven.

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      Settled - been there done that. Did not end very well for me.

      I have validated the idea with pre sign ups, but I haven't actually made a prototype... May have to copy you there

      thank you for your response

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    I feel you, and we've been in a similar situation when we first started building VReel. Being completely non-technical ourselves, we were really set on that we had to find a technical co-founder to make it happen. After having interviewed a few people we decided to go for an outsourced development agency, and overall it has been working pretty good.

    I don't know how technical you are, but my partner who's a digital marketer made sure to learn some basic technical language and skills so he could understand what was going on from our dev teams side, which probably saved us a bit of time and money.

    In hindsight, Im not sure what would have been the right thing to do, but we have a well working platform and 100% ownership ourselves. Feel free to reach out to my co-founder (and partner) Edward Thomas on LinkedIn or something if you have any questions about our journey :)

    Good luck!

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      WOW, that is so kind - I may have to take that offer up

      I'm going to have to invest sometime in learning code language and all of that, but I really am terrible when it comes to anything like that

      thank you for your response though!

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    Don't get too down, man!

    I think it's just hard in general to get anyone to commit to building a business on an idea without any immediate compensation or reward, whether the idea is validated or not. As such, the onus falls on the idea generator to move the needle to a point where it becomes less and less dubious.

    Is there any way you can get started without a dev? Plenty of no-code tools out there today.

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      I really don't feel like coding myself, I'd rather pay someone to do it for me hahaha

      The most annoying part is I have done a load of pre validation so to me it feels like a no brainer, but guess it's just one of them

      Thank you for your response

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        As others have said, I think it's important to find people who have that real passion. Learn from this and keep going. Rather than email or messenger I would arrange video calls to short list. Unfortunately lots of time wasters out there and you can only learn from your failures

        I recently joined indie and exploring product ideas of my own. I could be open to partnering up depending on the pitch. If interested email [email protected]

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    Developers want to build products for other developers, it's that simple. It's what they know and love and will work on passionately in their free time / for free.

    (Big-time generalization, but you should be able to find numerous examples to support it on this site. Also not a knock on devs...)

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      Thankfully it's not 'just' an idea, kinda...

      I have pre validated it with sign ups ready to use the product on launch and I have a good amount of content marketing and social followers who I can push the product out to. So I guess it is more than an idea but I do completely get where you are coming from!

      Thank you for your response

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