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Hardest 😩 part about Indie Hacking? πŸ‘¨β€πŸ’»

Hi!

I love helping Indie Hackers so I'm trying to build tools that solve problems. I'd love to know what the hardest part about Indie Hacking is.

on August 30, 2020
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    The toughest things for me :

    Product market fit.
    Selling to the first set of customers.
    Keeping motivated on the bad days.

    Not necessarily in that order.

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      I can definitely relate! What do you do to solve these problems? I find and test solutions to my customers problems and see what sticks, sell to the group with the most pain using customer segmentation, and finally I set mini-goals and reflect on my progress to stay motivated.

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      Interesting. I may tweet about this...

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    For me it's doing everything myself and being shy/introverted so I'm not good at meeting others or putting myself out there. Plus I live in the middle of nowhere. If I said startup they would think I'm talking about their truck or something.

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      Have you tried outsourcing your work? On being shy, practice works surprisingly well. Push you comfort zone incrementally. Here is a great TEDx talk [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vZXgApsPCQ] about how the speaker uses small doses of rejection to desensitized himself to the pain and shame.

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        I'll check it out, thanks. Haven't outsourced too much, need to make more money...

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      +1 for everything you've said. I only need to add one thing for me, and that's time. I have a full-time job + about to be a dad.

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        Congratulations on the kid, ma man

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        congrats. I'm in the same boat...full-time job + 5-mo old trying to juggle everything. It's not easy but it's manageable. Good luck!

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      I'm wondering, when will someone figure out something to help create true connection between humans? And beat loneliness and all of that.

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        I am really passionate about this topic and I think that one reason why it hasn't been tackled is that creating deep connection between humans requires human interactions and a lot of self work and introspection. It is thus difficult to use technology itself.

        If you take for example, active listening (a building block to building true connection between humans). It is a skill that needs to be developed by repetition and feedback.

        So some tools (just got an idea of one while writing this comment) can be built to help develop that skills, but the work remains on the human.

        Finally, deep connection require empathy and thus an understanding of emotions.

        Unfortunately technology isn't quite there yet either. There are facial expression tools out there that are used by advertiser to measure the reaction to videos for example but the setup is too complex to lug around while you interact with someone for example. As they say only 7% of communication is through the words (*actual number is unknown) so any NLP is going to fail at guessing the emotions and so one would need model ML to recognize voice intonation which wouldn't be enough either. There are other ways to go about it as well.

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          Don't necessarily need to be a fully automated process. It just seems like one of those things that will be solved some way in the future. (because it is a fundamental need and a lot of people are lonely).

          The closest we have right now is probably communities, preferably where there is some local physical meets also.

          Kind of similar for the dating world. A lot of people have success using things like tinder. I expect there to be even better tools for that in the future.

          Maybe breakthroughs in this area won't happen before we get some neurotech innovations?

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          What differentiates your product from say a bio on a social media page?

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              Sounds cool. I'll be sure to give it a try!

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      I know how you feel

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      How do you feel about putting yourself out there indirectly?

      For example, through a blog post that you share?

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        Would probably be easier than being on video or something for sure. I'm trying to get better at this in general too. Age is helping lol. The older I get the more I realize I'm running out of time and can't be so scared/hesitant.

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      You sound like me

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    Because you’re starting out sales volume is often low, this makes it very difficult to see which changes actually impact sales vs random swings of the universe.

    For me the most difficult part of being an indie dev is to try to stay positive in those random downswings.

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      Staying positive is very important! How do you parse the noise from signal and stay positive?

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        Super difficult and something I'm still working on, so any tips area welcome :D

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          Personally, I find the best way to stay positive is to have an actionable next step, and having other people offer constructive criticism.

          If there's room for improvement, there's always a bright future ahead!

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      I’m having a very significant downswing in sales going on the past two months, which can be attributed to either the universe, the pandemic, my changes to product website, switching to mainly Paddle for selling vs Mac App Store (though I keep the apps in the store), people on vacation, whatever. Really stressing...

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        I have the exact same thing and timing for the javascript image editor product I'm selling. It's super confusing and it's stressing me out.

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          July and August are slow month for sales in the northern hemisphere, so it can be attributed to that. I hope it’s just that.

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    For me, going from hobby stuff to more scaled up real business stuff. Have been doing everything solo so far, would probably mean putting a team together as well and funding all that stuff.

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      How have you done everything so far? What tools, books, and blogs have helped? Y Combinators Startup School program [startupschool.org] has helped me. Have you hired a consultancy? Why haven't you put together a team and started fundraising? What scaling challenges have you faced? I'd love to know more!

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        Hey, I'll have to check that out, thanks for the link.

        I think for most part my reasons are pretty typical: limited time (day job, kids, etc.), having an actual day job already for working that also pays well enough that I don't necessarily need to chase this for the money, enjoying working alone since I can define everything about product very easily and with full autonomy.

        If I was working with a team and using someone else's funds (and reporting to them), I think it would start feeling like work a lot faster than tinkering alone. And I don't know if I want to feel like working in the evenings.

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    Getting your product or content discovered.

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      How do you solve this? I find people with the problem that I am solving.

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        Blog about your stuff, get picked up by Google and start climbing the rank-ladder. People look stuff on Google, so the higher you rank, more client will find you. That’s the long term objective. Short term, the usual IH, PH, Reddit...

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        This is the problem, there's no apparent solution. The usual stuff (e.g. looking for people interested in a solution to the problem the product addresses, doing content marketing, being on social, and so on) doesn't help much when starting out.

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    Sales. This does not come naturally for developers.

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      How do you do sales? I view sales as identifying and solving a problem.

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        Once you've identified and solved a problem, you have to let people know about your solution. To my understanding, that's what sales/marketing is all about.

        How do you let someone know you have something they want when they're not actively thinking about it?

        Or better yet, how do you identify the people who want what you have, without getting pushy?

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        I am still learning. Trying to reach out to people on social media, will do cold emails next.

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    Trying to grow as a person as fast as your project. Otherwise you won't be able to manage it ;)

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      How have you dealt with this and what do you do when your project isn't growing?

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        I talk about this with my cofounders and we try to identify what we do wrongly and improve on that. Also we try to become more efficient in our work. Sure, this is something quite long term, and I have tried to grow my entire life, so it is something natural.

        When the project is not growing, you just try to grow it in whatever way possible. And you check what works and does not work for you. For instance, in Saturday, we organized a small conference for our biggest/most interested users, so they can meet in life and we can discuss the tool and how it is used. It was an amazing thing to see the impact of our work and to talk to these people in person.

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    Getting sales and knowing if your product is actually worth it or not.

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      How have you done sales and product evaluation in the past?

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        Being Introvert and from technical background, I don't know how to "sell" but I def. know how to "make".

        Primarily, I have done sales using Social media + Cold email + sending to audience I had during mvp stage.

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    They hardest part is when you're not Indie Hacking......

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    Keeping the momentum going

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      Giving progress reports and lookaheads to close connections helps me to stay accountable.

      Have you found anything to help keep the momentum going?

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        I have been sharing progress updates on Twitter as a part of the build in public movement. This has helped me move forward one step at a time.

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    The hardest part for Indie hackers are:

    • Get the MVP out
    • Do the initial research before writing a code
    • Being consistent even after getting some negative feedback earlier
    • Getting first 5 paid customers
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    Fitting things in around family and work!

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    Nice topic! I am a strong marketing and sales person. I can easily talk with people and validate the ideas. Do a sales, MVP(non-tech side, by this I mean MVP of sales) but I dont have tech skills - now learning No code solutions to start my own MVP. I think we should collaborate and help each other) I am thinking about a short course for non-biz people how to validate the idea and do a sales:)

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    Def. fundraising!

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      Why do you think it is hard? It is the same as sales - you sell your project to investors. They just need metrics showing them you are going to grow fast with your scalable biz model. If you have it - there is no problem with getting an attention

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    Tough to meet interesting people in the same space without feeling spammy/self-aggrandizing for me.

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    Finding product market fit is very difficult. Also fundraising.

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      Do you have any tips on how to handle finding product-market fit without having a sizeable audience to measure against?

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    I think for me it's just to figure out what to invest time in. I'm so easily distracted by a new idea at the moment. I'm also trying to figure out if i should be going down the road of optimizing for time to revenue, or optimizing for time to 'ship' when validating an idea.

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    Finding a sales/marketing person that understands how to work with low budget and not having product market fit.

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    • Doing everything yourself
    • Finding the correct problem to solve
    • Prioritizing feature requests
    • Finding the first 50 customers
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    The hardest part is knowing what to focus on. It's hard to understand if that thing I'm about to work on is the most impactful thing. Or if it's going to even work out well. It's always a tradeoff. I don't see any product I see myself using for this, but if you're looking for product ideas I recommend you choose a specific marketplace (i.e. Shopify app store, AWS marketplace, etc), and ask businesses running on that platform what their problems are.

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      How have you figured out what to focus on in the past?

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