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How many people have had difficulty with their name, re-branding or domain name?

Hey everyone - My name's Preet.

I'm just some dude who (after a sh***y experience trying to purchase the domain name for my first ever business [with no success btw], promised myself I'd always use a startup name or brand based on 'domain name' availability.

2-3 years later, after buying a handful of domains originally for some indie projects (late 2019), I've now ended up with a large portfolio of domain names, many aftermarket sales, UDRP complaints (can google: Data Site LLC vs Preet Singh) and lots of experience.

I've always been a solopreneur but while looking for a potential co-founder last year, I started attending local startup events in Sydney and noticed a really big gap (or lack of understanding?) between domains, branding, radio test, and the importance of it all.

With knowledge via ChatGPT, OpenAI, Midjourney, Stable D etc. getting cheaper and cheaper, I know for a fact (based on conversations with some industry-leading names, some multi-billion dollar co-founders who I met through domain name sales etc., and the data I get from my domains and offers too) people are slowly learning the importance of branding but if you have any stories worth sharing, I'd love to hear them.

PS: Before anyone judges me for 'having lots of domains', I understand your potential frustration but I assure you I have much much better intentions (I give many of them away, actually put some up for resale and would happily help/ give a domain name to someone who has a project I really think is worth backing, for free) than many conglomerates who buy domains (thousands and thousands of them - including companies you wouldn't really think 'are in the domain name game' such as PwC, Empire State Building etc. LOL), and never ever let them see the light of day as a startup again*

*rarely ever consider reselling (exceptions include Elon convincing eBay to sell him back x.com).

I'm looking to start a podcast soon where I'll be going through:

a) Daily domain names (I find a lot, daily - can't buy them all) and expired domain names + those for sale via reverse auctions (which I think are worth it whether they be brandables, short names or just great fits or niche products and services).

b) Trademarks, UDRP, RDNH cases (many big companies who feel like bullying little owners or those with 'the ideal domain name' end up taking part in something called 'reverse domain name hijacking' - and it's not only frustrating as h**l, but it's avoidable, and the more light we bring to this practise, the less (I hope) companies will take part in this type of unethical conduct. Go to rdnh.com for examples :) Feel free to ask me questions if you have any also.

c) many of the domains I have (many .com's, .ai and other and am more than happy to) and hoping to find like minded people, not-for-profits, and other projects (open source etc.) or uses for some of the domains I have

d) recent domain name sales. E.g. connect.com was recently sold for $10m USD I think.

Sure, for those who have 'some experience' in the branding/ domain name space, dnjournal.com does a good job at outlining many, but sometimes it's a little late and sometimes, there's many other sales it misses which you can find by browsing the right twitter personalities, blogs and/or other sites like namebio.com) and (rarely but I do) going through public companies' reports and filings to figure out how much they paid for domains (my backgrounds in accounting, thankfully).

e) going over branding stories such as

  • the fact that the 'iPhone' brand/ name patent is NOT owned by Apple - and actually owned by Cisco who Apple pays a royalty/ licensing fee to use. This (unlikely) may have changed, but until recently, was definitely the case.

or

  • how convert kit tried to rebrand to seva.com (still owns it if you go on to seva.com yourself you can read the 'reverse' decision) and how it was a great example of 'focusing on short but not focusing on context/ translation/ radio test and enough due diligence'.

Also, I want to keep the podcasts as short as possible as some of the existing domain name podcasts (no offence and I mean this in the absolute nicest way possible as some of these people are godsend and I have learnt a LOT from them - tend to drag out and assume a lot of the listeners are 'domainers' where as I am coming from the point of view of 'a solopreneur in an AI driven world, who wants to ensure branding isn't the thing that lets me down, but instead helps me stand out - and trying to share this knowledge with others too).

Lots of creative ways to use domain names for campaigns, redirects, blocking competition or gaining an edge on other contenders. I NEVER ever intentionally (this is called bad faith) take someone else's name, register a domain name that's someone else's brand (I focus on dictionary words, or combinations of).

Please share your stories, any feedback and any advice - I would really really appreciate it.

PS: For now (the irony, as I found it extremely difficult to settle on a name for the podcast) it'll be called one of the below

worldsbestname.com, nameswarehouse.com, sitehustles.com or just my name (ideally not) preetsingh.com

Thanks in advance and if you have any questions, I'm always happy to help (not here to sell anything, just share what I know and meet like minded people, while figuring out my own startup called 'rekn.com - real estate knowledge network), a video first, social-maps based livestreaming platform for all things property, diy and renovations. But that's for another day

on February 6, 2023
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    Love this! I'm huge domains lover. I've like 100 of them.

    My problema is that domain I see, domain I want to buy.

    But, when comes to sales, most people don't give value to domains (which I believe it's a mistake). They inquiry for the names and end up buying a shitty .info .store .biz available domain

    I'll listen to your podcast for sure!

    What you think about rippedrich.com domain name? Handreg few days ago

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      Hey there mate, thanks for this :)

      I totally understand. Rebranding is a pain and although it is necessary sometimes (e.g. Bubble.io buying Bubble.com once they raised funding), sometimes it isn't as 'pain free' as the Bubble.com rebrand.

      E.g. (forgot the initial name?) to > Jarvis.ai to > Jasper.ai due to copyright/ trademark issues with the word Jarvis.

      In their case, as the startup was super early to the entire 'chatgpt/ gpt3' era and wave of startups, and had a pretty loyal following, it was ok - but many other brands (think D2C brands, clothing/ product-based startups etc. like 'theoodie.com - which again, really worked on the branding and ended up turning the 'the hoodie' (without the h) into it's 'memorable' kind of own brand, however, the hoodie would have been (personal opinion) better.

      Again, looking back now, doesn't matter sometimes once a brand has poured a lot of money, resources and time into building a brand - but my focus is to help make this entire solo-preneur (or co-founders and teams too!) journey as easy as possible and hopefully help prevent others from making the mistakes that I did :)

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        In regards to ripped rich, the first thing that comes to mind = fitness and finance (?)

        Is that the correct 'instant' kind of thing you were going for?

        It's got some positives:

        • a dot com
        • it's relatively short
        • two words or less (same as above point but more detailed)
        • R R (flows easier r___ r___ etc.)
        • 2 syllables (good thing; less the better)
        • easy to type (ripped and rich are spelt as they should be as per dictionary definition/ grammar of the words)
        • no typos or 'misspelling' (e.g. finiqy vs finicky or zeroqode vs zero code)
        • depending on what you're going for in terms of the startup, it may be really descriptive of your offering (if not, it weighs it down a little but overall the above points all still matter and are still valid/ good points in your favour).
        • it doesn't contain any words which are spelt 'differently' based on 'type' of English (e.g. neighbour vs neighbor, labor vs labour) in whatever part of the world one's from

        As a precautionary (optional and not really urgent) measure, I would grab the following to prevent future typo/ cyber risk potential etc but probably not something you need to worry about just right now if it's a new brand/ name and you may change it later

        rippdrich
        ripdrich
        ripedrich

        etc.

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          I would also check rippedandrich (as many many people prefer this type of 'format' when they remember a name or domain name vs. ripped rich). Not a bad thing to NOT have it, but something worth considering (if available).

          E.g. FitFinance or FitAndFinance (dotcom).

          FWIW FitAndFinance.com is available right now (I would buy that if I was in your position as it - depending on who you ask, seems to [when said out loud by me to myself] has a nice flow to it :)

          Worst case, it's a competitive block to make sure no one copies your idea if it takes off (can just redirect).

          Would at the very least make for a great 'A B' test nevertheless :)

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    worldsbestname.com and sitehustles.com are badass!

    Let us know when you release the podcast. I want to hear more.

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    Also, in regards to my first point - for some clarity, I mean genuinely sharing daily suggestions for free. If someone inboxes me their situation/ use case and startup (and I help them find a name), I'll offer it to them first privately, but if they decide not to use/ register it, I'll share it on the podcast for 'whoever grabs it first'.

    Keeping in line with the spirit of this entire post, here's some I just came up with which are available to buy (for the basic registration fee depending on:

    Bankable Name (dotcom - amazing name, but I personally hate the word 'bank' in my startups solely due to personal experience with ID theft/ bank fraud and currently fighting for justice against a big bank in Australia lol, so thought someone else may be better off. This is a great two word combination otherwise. Could be a blog with Hollywood/ Bollywood stars, startup founders, credible apps, domain name research or a naming agency's actual name).

    Bankable Names (dotcom)

    Gifted Name (dotcom - great name for a naming, branding agency startup or similar)

    We Love Youtube (dotcom - yes you can have 'YouTube' in the name for many purposes, without infringing trademark. Ask me if you want to know more).

    Vetted Domains (dotcom)

    Tip Top Name Shop (dotcom - yes a little long, but it's cute)

    Daily Names Drop (dotcom - 'dailynamedrop dotcom is on sale via GoDaddy for $2k USD)

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      Also, some business advice in case someone from Linktree (or similar startup) is reading this.

      Buy Link(dotcom) already - It's $11m sure, but if you're trying to 'win' in that space, and have raised multi-millions if not a billion, just derisk ASAP and grab link.com.

      Thanks (PS I do not own Link.com, lol I wish)