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How much is the accounting / bookkeeping cost of your business?

I'm recently thinking about setting up a US LLC. The registration seems straightforward and there are vendors provide registration service for a few hundred bucks. That's fine with me.

But, I wonder how much an LLC would cost to run, in terms of accounting stuff, so I don't have to worry about IRS agents busting my door open at 2 in the morning.

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Forming a Company
on April 28, 2021
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    Bench: $160/month
    Stripe Atlas: $500 one time fee to set up Delaware LLC
    Delaware Tax: $300/year
    Registered Agent via Stripe Atlas: $100/year
    Filing Taxes: $700/year (give or take)

    If you ever want to dissolve your company it’s roughly a $300 one time fee.

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      Wow, I just realized that Bench.co bookkeeping service is $160 per MONTH. First glance, I thought it was per year. And that's their "starter" plan as well.

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      Thank you for sharing, Michael! Really appreciate the detailed breakdown.

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        No problem! Bench is worth every penny in my opinion. But if you have smaller expenses you can certainly do it yourself via Quickbooks.

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          Thats some great word of mouth marketing for bench. Will definitely try it when the bookkeeping gets out of hand.

          Thanks for recommending!

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    Generally, you'll have two costs: bookkeeping and tax returns. How much that costs will depend on the complexity of your business and whether your LLC is single-member or multi-member.

    Re: accounting, you can hire a bookkeeper or do it yourself. My business is simple, I just tabulate my revenue and expenses in a spreadsheet.

    Re: taxes, a single-member LLC can be a disregarded entity and can be filed as a schedule C on your personal tax return. As far as taxes go, this is relatively simple. A multi-member LLC gets more complicated; it has to create schedule K-1s to distribute to members and also a federal Form 1065 U.S. Return of Partnership Income.

    I have a California LLC and here is my process.

    Payments:

    • LLC fee: $800/yr plus an additional amount if LLC income is over $250k
    • Statement of information (Form LLC-12) $20 every 2 years

    Tax forms:

    • Schedule C on my personal tax return
    • Quarterly estimated tax payments
    • CA Form 568 LLC Return of Income

    I do my own taxes with TurboTax which generates these tax forms, and my own bookkeeping in Excel. TurboTax costs about $70 each year, and all of the above takes a few hours of my time per year.

    Forms may be different depending on which state your LLC is in, and tax rules may be different depending on where you live. Caveat that I'm not a lawyer nor an accountant.

    Hope this helps.

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      This is really helpful! Thanks for sharing in such detail, Steven. Is there any introductory course on bookkeeping? or I'm just over-thinking this? :p

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        I've never taken a bookkeeping course, but I do have a background in finance so accounting has always been relatively easy for me. So if you don't want to get into the weeds, then maybe hiring a bookkeeper and/or accountant may be better. But I'll tell you what I do.

        First, unless you have a good reason otherwise, you should use cash accounting (not accrual accounting). Which means you can use bank account statements (you should definitely set up a separate bank account for your business) to keep track of revenue and expenses when they hit your bank account for a calendar year. I just export the financials from my banking website into Excel.

        Revenue is just when revenue hits your bank account. For the most part expenses are just expenses. The main hiccup is that certain items are capital expenditures which normally need to be depreciated, but you can use special depreciation below a certain threshold to basically expense it in the first year. I also work from home so I use a home office deduction. All of this stuff is automatically generated by filling out questions/forms in TurboTax. Last, if you hire a contractor and pay more than $600, you need to also fill out a 1099 form. Again for me, all of this is done in TurboTax.

        Here's the Schedule C:
        https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sc.pdf
        For me, lines 1,3,5,7 are the same number (revenue), and my expenses are in lines 13 (which is entirely special depreciation of capex), 18, 23 (LLC fees), 25 (portion of utilities allocated to home office) and 30 (home office deduction). This may look complicated, but it's basically six numbers.

        The CA 568 is even simpler because all they care about is revenue, so it's 2 numbers (revenue, and LLC fees). It looks complicated but TurboTax auto-fills everything out. I probably wouldn't do my own taxes if it weren't for the hand-holding that TurboTax does.

        Here's the 568:
        https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2020/2020-568.pdf

        I basically fill out 1 (revenue) and 3 (LLC fees) and check Yes for U (LLC is a disregarded entity, meaning that taxes are filed directly on my personal tax return in Schedule C). Everything else is "no" or auto-filled by TurboTax.

        Again, I feel very comfortable doing all this myself, but I think it's perfectly normal and probably more common to pay a bookkeeper and accountant to handle this. For a bookkeeper and accountant, this is really common and simple stuff, so it shouldn't be too expensive. I've been doing this for years, so it only takes me a couple hours per year. But it probably took a lot longer in the beginning as I was learning how to do stuff. One approach you can also take is to hire a bookkeeper and accountant for the first year, see how it's done, and then do it yourself in following years if you feel comfortable doing so.

        Hope this helps and good luck!

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          Thank you for your extremely detailed explanation. This could literally be a chapter of Managing your Startup Finances 101 course. ;)

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            👍
            Maybe I’ll write that book some day!

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    Hey John! I'm co-founder at https://www.startpack.io/ and have helped many folks set up US LLCs! One major thing you should keep in mind are Tax Filing Requirements, if it's helpful check out this blog post we wrote: https://www.startpack.io/blog/us-tax-filing-requirements-for-my-llc

    And if you want to chat / have any specific q's feel free to schedule some time here! https://www.startpack.io/contact

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      Hey Arjun, I've been on your site before! Evidently, you guys did a great job on SEO. I've bookmarked one of the StartPack's blog posts when I was googling this very topic (can't recall what keywords though).

      Will definitely check out StartPack.

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        Awesome! More than happy to answer any q's that pop up 🙌 and chat live as well if that's helpful!

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      Thanks for sharing, Mick! How did you find this accountancy firm?

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