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How to "Avoid Using Substack"

On May 8th, Sam Parr told the world, and Indie Hackers to "avoid using substack". In his IndieHackers podcast interview, he said this line. It struck me. Struck my gut. And my heart.

I had launched a newsletter 2.5 years ago with Mailchimp and Carrd. (Emails and landing page) and had been fine with that.

2 months ago I launched Better Sheets newsletter on Substack and enjoyed the experience. Didn't have to worry about connecting the pipes. Didn't have to worry about much except writing emails.

It felt like tinyletter on steroids.

It felt like I would love it.

I did, for a bit.

And now after 2 months, 5 emails a week (yes it's "daily"). I'm looking for more.

Here's my advice:

Try Substack

Then go somewhere else for your needs.

You'll need to balance 3 things: Your Content, Your Needs, and Your Audience.

Your Content

What do you write? And when do you write it?
for Influence Weekly I curate articles. Substack sucks for that.
for Better Sheets, I make screencasts. Substack sucks for that.

It might not suck for your content.

Your Needs

What do you want to get out of it? Do you want to have monthly or yearly subscribers who get your content in their inbox? IF that's what you want to do, use substack.

I like slinging html and js around. I've built a few of my own sites and want to continue doing that. Memberspace allows me to plug in a membership to any site I make. It's been awesome.

I also want to own my SEO, once I decide to work on it. Substack archives provide you, and your domain nothing. Absolutely nothing.

It's like writing on Medium. I still write on medium. I like the writing. I just don't want to remain there 100% of the time.

Right now I'm working on a new site that incorporates everything I've wanted to do with my newsletter over the past 2 years.

  • Searchable Databases (behind a paywall, thx Memberspace)
  • Lists (html)
  • Visually pleasing Reports (not just writing)
  • Blog (via Ghost)

Your Audience

What does your audience want?
I need to give my audience updates, so yes I do need email. But it's not the only thing. I want them to have an easy to read archive. I want to make sites that I can curate content for them on an ongoing basis.

My audience wants to be passive (get emails) and active (search through and read)

A simple email archive (what substack provides) won't be enough for them.

My audience for Influence Weekly and Better Sheets aren't consumers, readers. They are business people. Busy running small businesses. They won't check 100% of their emails. And want to search for topics when they have time. Not search through archives of editions.

Figure Out What Works

You'll have a different experience.

I suggest, if you haven't yet... try Substack. And don't feel stuck.
You can download your email list anytime.
You can copy/paste your archives to anywhere else.

If substack works for you, more power to you!

It's not for everyone.

Other Tools

  • Carrd - For building landing pages
  • Email Octopus - for emails. It's Chris' fave after testing 20 newsletter setups.

Why Use Substack

You should use substack if all you do is write 1k to 2k words a day for an audience who wants it and can find you other ways.

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Newsletter Crew
on May 24, 2020
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    Thank you for this, I was trying to choose a platform. I think Email Octopus will suit my need.

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      Glad to be of help! Shoutout to Chris on Twitter. He loves the love!

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    I'm using substack right now, but very low sub count. Here are the pros and cons that I see:

    PROs

    • Easy to publish, just write, hit send, done.
    • Easy to monetize premium content. (UX is still a bit clunky, but for the most part it works)
    • Built in stats

    CONS

    • No control over styling of your text
    • No control over form embedding (at least that I know of). I tried to style the iframe but it didn't work
    • No marketing automation. Big bummer... I want more advanced rules for tagging and routing.

    Overall, I think it's okay if you are just starting. But you'll eventually realize you want something more customizable and something that plays nice with marketing automation - especially if you are selling some other types of content and generating sign-ups from various opt-ins.

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      Some of those cons are pros for others. I found it incredible taxing to have to think of everything and thought at the beginning substack was nice. Just a level up from anything else in terms of simplicity. (or level down?)
      And just as my content gets more complicated, I want more control. It's probably something they can address and will, but writers wanna write. so let them write :)

      I'm just not a writer :)

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      Have you tried marketing automation with Convertkit's free account? It's quite advanced for me, maybe it's just right for you.

      1. 1

        I have not played with Convertkit in a while. Right now the only thing that's really keeping me on Substrack is the ability to post locked premium posts (even though nobody has signed up for them yet). I think it has that going for them and it's working.

        Maybe once I get more subscribers, I will contemplate moving. Or when I get fed up with not having a customized form and opt-ins on my website.

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          Yeah doesn't make too much sense if the automating effort takes more time than manual work.

  3. 2

    I think Substack does a really great job of solving what might be the biggest challenge in audience building, just getting it started. I can't speak to the experience in later stages of newslettership, but it's not hard to see why they are doing so well.

    I don't think it's been that long since they received a large sum of VC capital so hopefully they build the system into something that caters to more use cases.

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      Are they doing well?
      It seems they are taking the VC money and giving it away to email senders.
      right now they could be saving me $85 a month (if I converted by 6k list to substack) but I don't want to. i'd rather pay for the tools I have on mailchimp (for now).

      It's interesting to think right now... that about 2 years ago when substack started.. they had the right idea. Since then there are a lot of ways to create paywalls. And people will gladly pay.

      Simple isn't always best.

      It's great to start.
      and if substack starts a lot of newsletters. I'm all for it.

  4. 1

    I’ve been using Revue (https://getrevue.co) for my daily newsletter. The app and bookmark tool are great for curating content. Although I think it may have some similar issues as Substack in the long run.

  5. 1

    Have you tried Buttondown? I have an account but it was more difficult to start a newsletter than Substack so I didn't continue building it out. Well, Substack is just stupid easy to start. My newsletter is not critical at the moment.

    Look forward to some Ghost tutorials for a noob hacker like me. While it's quite simple in many places, so much functionality and changes are locked in the theme file. Plus what kind of multimilliondollar blogging platform doesn't have search and tags by default!

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    If you haven't already, you should check out this newsletter platform, mailster.co it's one of the best selling products in the codecanyon marketplace. It makes it really easy to get started with Amazon SES and what's really great about Mailster is the price. You can also start for free but the premium edition is only a one time fee of less than sixty bux for life..and I think SES is one of the cheapest email services.

  7. 1

    I got curious. What are your reasons for saying that substack sucks for an article curation newsletter?

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      I see some people enjoy Revue for easy link curation.

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        Raises hand
        Been using Revue for a couple weeks now, very happy with it for curating content.

    2. 1

      Totally fine question. My experience is 2 fold.

      1. There is only one format with few text styles. Works well for most, not me.

      2. Hard to read reports and understand clicks and opens.

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      The one thing substack has going for it. Podcasts. I'm not sure why they aren't pushing that harder. It's incredible what they've done. It got me to do a "podcast" and love it. *Ultimately I didn't give enough value to readers/listeners. I enjoyed the process though.

      The ability to send long form podcasts and short audio notes, within emails is incredible. Nothing like speaking directly to your audience and getting in their inboxes.

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