Hi guys,
I soft launched OppsList in mid July.
I've had a few (12) paid sign ups since the launch.
At the rate people are signing up, I'm worried it may take a very long time to make this into a sustainable business. I've included my revenue and traffic stats below. I would really appreciate your thoughts and advice!!
I'm wondering...
- What should I be focusing on now?
- Does the landing page need work?
- Is the pricing wrong?
- Is there a different way of looking at this problem that might help?
- Is there a metric that I'm overlooking?
- Is this a normal pace for growth?
- Should I get a job and just let the business grow slowly on the side?
- What would you do?
[STATS]
- Landing page here: https://oppslist.com/subscribe
- Traffic and Stripe stats here: http://imgur.com/a/9kQaR
- Total unique visits since landing page constructed: 4,224
- Landing page unique pageviews: 524
- Monthly recurring revenue: $58.45
- Subscription churn: $13.90
- Subscription cancellations: 2
- Average revenue per customer: $1.19
- Gross volume: $96.15
- Net volume from sales: $83.80
- Successful payments: 17
- New customers: 13
A subscription service seems like the wrong business model for this. If I'm looking for a new business idea to pursue, I want one now, and then I'm going to pursue it. I don't need or want to be subscribed to future business ideas (not that your site even suggests there will be future ideas). A one-time payment is more fitting.
But I personally would never pay for this in this form. The market problems you identify and research will be either bad and not worth pursuing or good and being advertised to future competitors and previous customers who have a head start. Your idea adds risk to entrepreneurship. The more popular your service is the less valuable it will be to anyone.
A better idea might be to try to sell ideas that you have done the legwork validating for hundreds of dollars. For example, "this business would be in the beauty and cosmetics market. It'd be a subscription service. It would requires these specialty skills: blah, blah, blah. It should take a small team of programmers a couple months to develop. I estimate the potential to be x per month. I've talked with 100 people in the industry who all want this idea. To be the sole purchaser of this idea and the email list, it will cost $1000."
Before people say "ideas aren't valuable," he's not charging for the idea. He's charging for the legwork to validate the idea.
Hey Fudly,
Thank you for your thoughts :D
You raise several points which have been haunting me for a while.
First, that by making the ideas visible to many people, they become less valuable due to competition. I've been telling myself that this is not a problem because it takes a huge amount of commitment and work to execute on any business idea. Maybe that's a flawed assumption.
While I actually have the tools to do this. I have a feeling I'd either not be able to charge enough to make this worthwhile, or I'd end up stopping the business after I found an idea I liked with real demand behind it!
Would you ever pay to have an idea validated for you?
Thanks again. This is great food for thought!
It's certainly true that starting most business ideas takes a large amount of work and commitment. It's also true that customers need to hear about your product before they can buy it. What isn't true is that telling the wrong people about your idea can't hurt you.
Your target customers are people all looking for business ideas worth pursuing. Any business idea you say is great will become more competitive as time goes on.
I currently have 30 business ideas I think are worth pursuing. I've narrowed the field to a handful based off low-effort hunches. Of that handful, I've talked with 2 customers about one of them, and one supplier about another. I'm having trouble convincing myself to talk to anyone else about either.
I'm going with the first idea. I want to code so I am coding. Is my idea validated? I'd like to think so, but realistically, I got lazy with the legwork. You can always count on people being willing to pay to avoid work. It's a question of whether the price is low enough that people are willing to pay it.
Firstly, 12 paying customers is awesome - well done!
In terms of what you should probably do next? Try get on some calls with your existing paying customers. Why are they paying? How excited are they about the product? How much would they care if the service died tomorrow? If they love the service, you know it's a marketing problem. You'll need to find more people like them.
If they don't care about it too much, it could be worth tweaking and improving the product before moving onto growth.
I'm actually a sub of OpsDaily, so here's a theory of where there could be more value: Niching down.
For example, a few ops have been from people who teach. They have issues tracking students etc.
These ops are more valuable for people who sell to teachers of any kind. They could use the ops to find better ways to communicate the value of their product, or think of new features. Obviously I have no idea if this will work, it's just a guess of where there could be more value based on the emails I've been reading every day.
Cool idea, but I how you could be running into problems. Realize you're essentially creating a market. These usually take time as you're growing 2 sides at once, dependent on each other. That said, yes get a job if you need some immediate income. This is not going to pay your rent any time soon.
To be more specific, and honest but maybe brutally honest. As a techie visitor, I'm interested in finding about problems I can build solutions for. This landing page gives me a glimpse of what I can expect to find on your site, and sorry to say - it's crap.
What I mean by that is, as I scan the list of Opps you show, it all looks like stuff that could be solved simply for the user with something else that exists, the user just doesn't know what or how.
Examples. Sounds like maybe they just need a spreadsheet and some data entry, or it's from a user who says they "just want something that works" as an all in one solution. My read on that is they're lazy and just tired of logging into multiple systems. It's not a real pain point. Another example is, the "quickbooks plugin for amazon". I have to believe this exists already, some where, some how. They can just download CSVs in 3 clicks and get what they're after, they probably just don't know it, or again lazy. "need encrypted messaging app" this exists, 100x over. Track restaurant inventory and auto order, my guess is this user also doesn't want to do any data entry. So the solution is some crazy sensor based stuff to know how much salt he's using in real time.
Whether I'm right or wrong isn't important. These don't sound like good users or a good problems to go solving. The one exception is the Chemist software, but that sounds super specific and custom; so I would need to talk to that guy and be under contract to develop this.
So from my perspective, you should focus on getting better submissions then maybe I'd pay to subscribe to them. Chicken and egg problem just like all markets.
Much appreciated! The best feedback is brutal!
The goal of the site is to help inspire people looking for a problem to build a SaaS around. I'm thinking I need to convey that more clearly.
Also, totally agree that some of the problems have existing solutions. This could be improved.
Thanks again :)
I thought the conveyance of your goal was totally clear. Within 3s I got it.* But that's not enough when you ask me to pay. You need to convince me there is something worth paying for.
The content you're selling me, as ideas, needs to be of better quality. I'm not sure what your pipeline on that side is like. But I'd focus on trying to ramp it up in volume and in quality. You may never be able to control quality, but you can do some presorting for me. Sell me a short list of great ideas. That I'd consider paying for. I'm left with the impression I have to dig through a bunch of crap posts and hope one day I'll find a diamond in the rough, all the while I'm paying you a monthly fee. Doesn't sound appealing to me.
Awesome feedback! Thank you so much.
This was super helpful! Seems like there is more value in the curation of the most promising ideas.
I'm going to rework some of this UI feedback into my next iteration of the landing page as well.
Glad to help and good luck! I'd be interested to hear if you get user feedback if they agree/or not with my perspective.
Always glad to give an opinion (solicited or not)!
I see this more as a marketplace connecting problems with problem solvers, rather than as an ongoing subscription. As a problem solver, the barrier isn't just finding an idea. It's finding a subject matter expert who knows what features are important, what is worth paying for, and willing to put the time into helping me. I'd be more likely to pay for access to the person with the idea than the idea itself.
Cory, do you know what channels you acquired your existing customers?
Those might be the best to focus on.
I would setup some form of analytics so you can get a good picture of what new visitors are doing on the site. If you already have analytics, I would recommend setting up goals so you can track each step in your funnel. Once you know where people are dropping off, try working on fixing that part.
Have you conducted any broad surveys with your existing paying customers? Find out what motivated them to sign up. What is their opinion on what works and what needs improvement.
Best regards
Tyson
Hey Tyson!
Acquisition has been through www.oppsdaily.com and news.ycombinator.com, however marketing has to be done tastefully and sparingly.
I have been using mixpanel to track funnels, but I haven't really dived into the data, or made changes based on it yet.
Great idea about surveying paying customers. I really need to do this as well.
Thanks so much for these suggestions! :D
Consider using very broad open space ended questions and asking for "an opinion" to get the best results.
If you see a lot of common language, you can actually use that in your site content to help improve. The book Ask talks about this method
thanks for just adding the thread - going through the same problem so will make my own HelpMeInternet request :)
Slow growth is beautiful. It's only been a few months. My business was not revenue-neutral for over four years.
Not entierly familiar with how you get the Opps but asked for a connection to one of the projects and your reply was: Will do, but people usually dont respond.
If you could make it more certain that a connection is made you could charge $$$ for this. Kind of on a lead basis:
here is the Opp -> Want connection? -> Pay X$ for intro
Or
Make intros just for subscribers?
Just some ideas...what Fudly said above seem right. The bigger your service get the more competition you have + You want one good idea, not many possible future ideas....