Listen Up! IH - Episode 37
đThatâs a line from John OâNolanâs intro video for Ghostâs Kickstarter campaign from back in 2013.
John is the founder of Ghost.org a publishing platform for independent writers and creators to make money from their work.
Ghostâs tagline reads: âTurn your audience into a businessâ.
Itâs an open startup, so anyone can look at their revenue on their open page.
As of January 2022, Ghostâs revenue is $4.2M+ ARR.

source: Ghostâs open page.
Ghostâs goal in 2021, was to help the creators on the platform generate more revenue than Ghost itself.
This is a feat very few creator platforms can boast of.
But Ghost did achieve it.
Creators on Ghost made $10.2M in revenue in 2021 -

(source: Johnâs Tweet)
Thereâs a lot to learn from the Ghost storyđ
John started Ghost back in 2013 with the idea to build a platform solely focused on publishing content.
And made it open-source.
He had been designing and building sites on WordPress since 2005.
WordPress had started as a simple blogging platform for anyone to publish content. But within a few years, it turned into a full-blown CMS platform.
By 2011-12 it was getting used more for marketing sites and brochures.
WP was no more focused on straightforward content publishing. (Its founder famously called WP the operating system of the web)
That frustrated John.
So on November 5th, 2012, John made a few mockups and published a blog post titled - WordPress is so much more than just a blogging platform.
This is the Ghost intro Tweet:
That blog post was at the top of HackerNews and was discussed by almost every publication in the WordPress community.
Within a week it went viral and raked in 250,000 views.
In 3 months John was ready with a prototype. 30,000 people had signed up on the Ghost mailing list by then.
Thatâs when he launched the prototype on Kickstarter to raise funds for the project.
He knew that it only made sense to build the complete product if people were willing to pay for it.
Johnâs goal with the Kickstarter campaign was to raise $30,000 but he ended up raising 10X of that.
Check out the campaign page on Wayback machine: Ghost: Just a Blogging Platform.
(The 3-minute video for the Kickstarter campaign is worth a watch as it clarifies Johnâs motivations for working on this product)
50% of the screens in that prototype video are just screenshots.
John knew that he could build those features, later on, didnât want to spend that time without validating the idea.
It was a true Minimum Viable Product.
Ghost in 2022 is a sophisticated content publishing platform. A place where creators can monetize their creations with ease.
But when it started, it was envisioned as WordPress Lite.
These were the initial mockups that John came up with in his notebook:


Some of the ideas in those mockups did make it into the final product. And many were discarded.
Most of these ideas were a combination of concepts from various other platforms such as Geckoboard, Mou, Sparrow, Svbtle, Tumblr, Squarespace, and many others.
As John likes to say - âEverything is a Remixâ
This is true for product development more than we realize.
This is a common pattern across many successful indie hacker products.
Ghost is set up as a non-profit foundation so that it can stay true to its users instead of shareholders or investors.
Itâs open source and decentralized.
The company can never be bought or sold.
100% of the revenue is re-invested into the product and the community.
They call it sustainable open-source:

A unique model like this ensures that John and the team arenât looking for a big pay-off in the future.
They arenât building the business with an intention to sell to investors.
According to John, the goal to sell the company at a later date can lead to compromises with the product.
It can lead to technical debt that can compound at scale.
This business model means that they are focused on building the best product for their users - Writers and Journalists.
And that their users know that Ghost is going to be there in 10 years, and not shut down, or change business models to please investors. (Something that a platform like Medium does a lot)
John strongly believes that such open platforms need to exist to support independent journalism.
And thatâs his mission.
In the Kickstarter launch video, John particularly mentions that the intention is not to sell the business to Facebook one day.
He also says:
âWe are not just making this because we want to sell it, we are making this because it needs to existâ
âGhost is being made for love, not for profit.â
And he stood by those words because the way Ghost is structured right now, thereâs no way for him to sell the company and make big profits from it.
Ghost competes in a crowded market.
There are more blogging platforms today than ever before. Its competition includes old platforms like WordPress and recent ones like Substack.
To succeed as a bootstrapped business, Ghostâs strategy is to have a unique positioning and fight the competition by differentiation.
Ghost canât compete with Substack on advertising and PR - Substack is backed by powerful VC firms like a16z, so everything they do gets in the news. (Including small feature announcements)
But it can compete on the value proposition it offers to the users.
Ghost takes a 0% cut from its usersâ revenue.
It offers fixed-price plans based on features and audience size.
This means that creators can scale their business without their costs scaling proportionately.
Substack takes a 10% cut from its usersâ revenue.
As newsletter revenue grows, Substackâs 10% fee can balloon up to thousands of dollars.
Lenny Rachitsky is one of the most popular writers on Substack.
6 weeks after launching a paid version of his newsletter, Lenny posted a Twitter thread with all his learnings.
This Tweet stands out from the thread:
Clearly, 10% platform fees can be hard on creators.
But Lenny is a big Substack fan, and actively promotes it over any other email platform.
He posted a Tweet highlighting how Substackâs discovery feature has helped him get subscribers. And that justifies the 10% fee.
(Itâs important to note that according to Lennyâs investments page, he is an investor in Substack.)
Ghost doesnât help itâs creators with discovery.
Creators must grow their newsletters on their own. But the fact that Ghost charges 0% fee is a substantial incentive for creators to choose Ghost over Substack.
The Ghost blog does a good no-nonsense comparison of Ghost and Substack.
This is also a good example of a well-executed SEO strategy, this blog is the 2nd result when you search for âSubstack alternativesâ on Google.
Substack is a great way to kick start a publication and get your initial subscribers.
But as they grow, most creators realize that it makes financial sense to move on to an alternative like Ghost.
This is exactly what the reader-supported news site The Daily Poster did back in May 2021:
Ghost follows a more traditional SaaS model, it's a tool that can be used by independent creators.
While Substack sees itself more as a platform for independent writers.
Thatâs the fundamental difference between the 2 companies.
John doesnât want to build a large conglomerate with thousands of employees, instead, he wants to enable hundreds of other independent businesses around Ghost.
3 types of businesses that benefit from the Ghost ecosystem:
The Ghost marketplace is a good place to find custom themes, integrations, and experts.
Limited team size:
Ghostâs current team size is 27.
John doesnât want to grow the team beyond 50-60 people. He wants it to be a close-knit team that knows each other meaningfully.
Johnâs advice to other Indie Hackers is to stop thinking and start building.
Not care so much about every feature or getting the best quality in the first iteration.
Get the right combination of Idea + Execution + Story.
âBuild more stuff more quickly at a lower quality than you need. If itâs the right idea where people can buy into the story, it will succeed.â
âShut the fuck up and go and build something!â
Right â
Key Lessons from the Ghost journey đ
Ghost has seen steady growth over the years, letâs look at their growth strategies -
Insights that indie hackers can apply in their own business.
Every idea needs a great story. Your ideal customer will not buy the product, they will buy your story. Idea + Execution + Story. Ghost has all 3 going for them.
Find your unique skew to the market/problem. Ghost solves the same problems as Substack. But it can hold its own because it attracts a very different kind of user.
And has a unique value proposition.
Validate before you build too much. Build just enough to show it to potential users and validate the idea.
Get continuous user feedback. The Ghost team runs a private Discord community with its users. Where it can get immediate feedback from them about the product.
Use creative constraints - Ghost has benefited a lot from the unique constraints that John started with - âWhat if I can never sell this company?â Or âNo more than 50 employeesâ or âOnly focuses on publishing and journalismâ
Charge more. John has said - âI would never create a business ever again which charges less than $10/monthâ.
Letâs look at Ghostâs primary traffic channels:
Ghost receives around 594K visits every month:

Traffic breakdown:
Direct: 42%
Organic search : 35.7%
Referrals: 17.48%
Social: 3.6%



Letâs see what we can learn from Ghostâs landing page - ghost.org


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Cheers,
great, great, breakdown @ayushchat!
I've also analyzed their growth and found these tactics and channels:
I would definitely say that their Kickstarter campaign was their main early growth strategy. And then he built his audience on Twitter.
One key thing to add also, John had a crazy good understanding of the community prior to building Ghost, as Deputy Head of Design at Wordpress.
Yes, thanks Daniel.
Totally agree with what you're saying.
John's past experience was a big advantage for their success.
This is true for many indie hackers actually. They see success in projects related to their previous work and area of expertise.
That was a hell of a post. Thanks for writing that!
Thanks Elliot, it was a lot of fun doing this deep dive đ