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How we ship great products fast with no project/product managers

http://www.spencerfry.com/no-pm-no-problem-how-we-ship-great-products-fast
submitted this linkon February 14, 2023
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    I've been on every side of this. I've worked as a developer with a PM, a developer without a PM and as just a PM. Honestly, there isn't one right way to do it, it really all depends on the team/people. You sound like you've got the right team, which is why having no PM's works.

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    I'm sorry, but you do understand that Product Managers and Project Managers are ENTIRELY different jobs yes?

    A Product Manager is as much a Designer or an Engineer as they are a Project Manager. Comparing them like they're interchangeable just makes it look like you have absolutely no idea what the role actually does.

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    Interesting perspective. Kinda unclear on the following, did y'all understand?

    1. Start of Champion's involvement in idea lifecycle: Curious to know ideas/initiatives evolve in the org. Do Champions typically pitch ideas and take the lead on them? Who decides what is on the docket? Do folks volunteer to Champion something that was raised by another party but that is "close to their heart"? Curious to know where the Champion typically gets involved in the lifecycle of any idea.

    TL;DR: Asked at https://twitter.com/vidbina/status/1625579773169905665?s=20&t=vZ_lDc7oub641QK1UzwhOg hope I guess an answer.

    1. Customer-contact: Does anyone know how these Champions engage with customers? Can imagine that as a dev, conducting UX research is kind of a leap. Wonder how Champions are guided to own the customer contact side as well or does another role handle this? Didn't spot it in the article.

    TL;DR: Asked at https://twitter.com/vidbina/status/1625580129123717121?s=20&t=vZ_lDc7oub641QK1UzwhOg

    1. Example: Would love anonymized concrete examples of some efforts that Champions recently took on to help my imagination a bit.

    TL;DR: Asked at https://twitter.com/vidbina/status/1625580553503387648?s=20&t=vZ_lDc7oub641QK1UzwhOg

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    Very good and amazing software

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    There are only 30 people in the company, many companies survive until that sort of size with no dedicate PM function - often the founders, or senior engineers and designers, can fulfill that role. The champion concept is just a way of formalising the idea that different people will wear the PM hate in different projects - it's nice, but project / product management is still happening.

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    Project and Product management are roles and not really a job, and looks like you have a good framework of how your developer would act as that. How are you managing the client feedback in this framework you have ?

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    Great to know that this approach works for you. Bringing together all the teams to work together and be on the same page without a PM is a tough task. Especially the engineering and marketing teams. Glad to see you're pulling it off.

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    This is cool. I can see how this would work. Less cooks to spoil the broth, as the saying goes. Always interesting to see companies doing things differently and it working. Shows that there is no one right way to do things.

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