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Hi Indie Hackers! I'm Christy Laurence, the founder and CEO of Plann — Instagram planning, scheduling and analytics for beautiful brands.
I was on the Indie Hackers podcast recent
Your hiring process?Please share more about developer team. Considering you have no knowledge of coding. What difficulties you faced?
This was definitely a big challenge and it took a few horrendous mistakes before I realized that “all developers did all of the develop-y things” wasn’t quite right. Ha!
When I had the realisation that I didn’t have the control and foresight needed to run my business, I read many books, blog posts and reached out to heaps of people (including AWS themselves!) to ask how they structure their teams.
In the early days I couldn’t have told you the difference between a front end, back end or even what a full stack was. It was a HUGE learning curve, and still is some days when talking about architecture.
What did I do to hire developers?
Interview, ask a few key questions where over time friends/mentors/person sitting next to me in a co-working space had taught me what a good answer sounded like.
Ask for previous work and Github.
Give a coding challenge with a time limit (there are some great companies our there that do this.
Buy a box of beers for someone I trusted to read the code and give me very detailed feedback on what they had seen.
My team are such wonderful people and as we’ve grown, I’ve been very forthcoming about my blind spots and they now reach out to help in the hiring process, and teach me everything they can along the way.
I’m incredibly proud of my team, my engineers treat me with absolute love and respect and are always helping me upskill rather than cutting me out for “not knowing what I’m talking about” which was something I was scared of.
Can you give some prove about your revenue ?
Hmm, sustaining a team of 35 people would be a hard ask without revenue (or funding!) If you have access to any app ranking systems you’ll find us!
:-)
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All this revenue porn without solid prove is just new content strategy
You are number 136 in the free photo apps ,app that make photos effects that even not using some API to send the photos to insta . Just getting alerts when manually send it
I really don't believe it . Sorry .
Loved the podcast! I would like to know how did you maintain your developers engaged and with a feeling of belonging without sharing equity?
Did you pay them top-salaries? If not, as you were bootstrapping, I'd like to know how was to manage and lead them in a day-to-day basis. Thanks!
Thank you Adam
:)
Thrilled that you loved it, Courtland and I had a great time recording it!
In the early days I had overseas developers and I was able to pay them a comfortable wage to build, but as we grew the local team (in Australia), I was able to offer an amazing culture and workplace, with an OK salary which appealed to those who I wanted in my team too.
For example, we do team retreats every year and I LOVE spoiling my team! They can travel and work, they can choose their own hours (based on them being given time and freedom to understand how their bodies work best), our culture is hilarious and I encourage absolutely everyone to bring their whole selves to work.
It’s not uncommon for us to do team rollerskating, send each other gifts for fun, or catch up on video calls purely because we miss each other!
I guess my answer is, I created a very nurturing, intuitive and emotionally intelligent environment that let people thrive. My team are always asked if they are happy and it’s not uncommon that they share the company wins on their personal social media profiles.
AWww, I could rave about my team all day - but I hope that answers your question!
Teri makasi Christy!!
It's awesome to know this, and I hope I'll be able to create a nurturing and happy workspace as you created.
I intend to make my company home office since the beginning, and I'm thinking a lot about how I could create a culture without being with my team physically.
You gave me some cool insights about how to do it, thank you!
You didn’t raise any external money but between business investment and personal costs (having to pay bills and such while you bootstrapped, opportunity costs of your time) can you estimate the total investment into the business?
Gosh, yes you’re right if I added all of this up, it’s a HUGE expense, right?
I’d say when I launched Plann App in the app store, I would have spent close to 100k in lost wages, (but I was working 18hr days so it was probably more than that!)
I wrote this article for Foundr magazine if you’re interested in the complete breakdown of getting to launch: https://foundr.com/create-an-app/
But now that we’ve been live for a bit longer, taking a salary, re-invested all earnings back into growing the team and the tech - and we recently launched our 3rd product: Plann Webapp.
I’d say the total figure invested into the company would now be close to US$1.5M now. Maybe more. Oh gawd, now I feel like I’m going to throw up! Haha!
What would be your best advice for someone with their own Instagram scheduling platform trying to grow it? Funnily enough, I also have no coding knowledge.
Understand the competitor landscape, understand the problem that no-one is solving correctly, and most importantly, the PEOPLE who are being underserved by the current solutions and then market like crazy to them. :)
How did you get customers? Or, where did you get customers? :)
And one more: Why does Plann not yet post without an app?
Hey! I’d love you to scroll up to question #1 as I did a huge brain dump on exactly how I did this one! :)
And one more: Why does Plann not yet post without an app?
Facebook/Instagram currently have their ‘GRAPH API’ in private beta (and this API is the one that allows auto-posting to Instagram).
Unfortunately they turned off applications while we were building our platform and it’s not something we’re able to offer our community just yet! It’s all designed out and I can’t wait until we can roll this one out!
If ANYONE at Indie Hackers has a contact at Facebook that could help me get in, I will send you boxes of wine and thousands of virtual high-fives!!
@Christy - I can try to help you, please email me the details about what are you looking for
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My first question would be, how did you complete with buffer? I thought they had the biggest part of the market and 1m a years seems significant
Wow Christy, congratulations! As a solo-founder who came from a non-coding background myself, I am very much aware of the difficulty of pulling this off. Huge kudos to you!
I am going down a similar path with my startup (PathBase) and I was wondering:
Thank you - and congratulations to you too!
It was really about understanding their challenges and goals and making sure the product addressed them. I was a one off payment when I launched to make sure I had some income, then moved to a SaaS model 6 months later which helped with revenue traction.
Yes I have a brilliant team now, we're at 30+ depending on the day in 9 countries. I started with a few VAs that were scattered all over the world, then as revenue grew I got a few part-timers, and then more revenue I was able to start making local full time hires.
I do not have a co-founder :)
Christy - your progress with Plann is very impressive, and it's great to hear about another startup that is bootstrapping. I plan on staying on the bootstrapping path as well.
I have two short questions:
I have a hunch that the customer profile of my startup ShotCrew is similar to yours. What was your #1 growth channel? Did you have the most success with cold email, social media ads, content writing?
Are you currently hiring for any roles, and would you consider remote?
Thank you very much for taking the time to do this for all of us.
Thank you, absolutely!
Delighted to hear you’re doing well!
Bootstrapping is how the company identifies right now, but I just wanted to point out that I’m not married to it - whatever is best for the business, and me as a human, which might be raising capital, I’m not closed off to, we’ve just not needed it yet :)
Both great questions,
I’ve answered #1 in depth if you scroll up a bit you’ll see where I got my first customers! :-)
Next Hire if anyone is interested in joining my brilliantly passionate team!
(please email [email protected] with your details!)
Housekeeping question: where do we find link to join this conversation? Or is this not a live recording? Thanks!
How did you get to 1M, or put another way, how did you get enough clients to sustain the business, seeing as there are loads of other products that do similar things, and have been doing for a longer time. For Plann, a lot of alternatives exist. How did you get a foothold in a contested market? I have several ideas for services, but am sometimes discouraged because there are so many already existing.
Another great question, I answered most of this in a Q above, however, to add to this that your brand positioning and voice becomes incredibly important when trying to get market cut-through.
Our brand is fresh, fun, quirky and highly creative, while maintaining a very high thought leadership position in our industry.
Social Media is incredibly people-to-people based so I decided our brand would be incredibly humanistic, transparent and real.
Funnily enough, it appealed to a mass market of Instagram users that thought using a product that was more ‘fun’ was worth spending money on over a ‘corporate’ tool.
I think it comes down to understanding your exact target customer inside out.
how did you do your initial marketing and testing of the product ?
Hey, I’d love you to scroll up as I answered this in detail above :)
Awesome work Christy. Would love to know the following...
Did you have experience launching software in the past or is this your first ?
Was there ONE thing you can point out that really moved the needle for you? (ex. an influencer promoted you, hiring a certain person, etc)
If you had to replicate your success, how would you start? :)
Thanks!
Plann is my first foray into software development, or even running my own company.
Hmm, ONE thing, the influencers organically talking about me was definitely amazing, but if I have to point ONE thing out I would have to say my SEO strategy right from day one was on the money.
The amount of leads we get to our website is phenomenal (and we’re now ranked in the top 5000 websites in the US), and a DA of over 50, which attests to the quality of content we’re pushing out into the world.
It’s driven brand awareness on a scale that I can’t describe, led to millions of organic searches and warm leads.
OMG, I would do so many things differently if I had my time over again, and to be honest it would probably be hiring much earlier! As Plann grew so quickly and I was doing all-of-the-things, it became almost impossible to teach team members (5 at once) while still being the main ‘doer’.
Are u open to related business ideas?
Absolutely! :)
fabulous .
How did you validate your idea? ask people? survey? sign ups to email? pre-customers?
I absolutely did all of these things!
I asked people in person or over Instagram about their IG challenges, talked about the concept, showed sketches and then when I asked “would you pay for this solution?” I would direct those to sign up to my email list where I nurtured them with weekly instagram tips that I knew were unique
(i.e. what is your best performing colour palette?) and no-one else was talking about.
Launching to a warm audience definitely helped.
Hey Christy! I'm sure you had a lot of other skills that are more important than knowing how to code, otherwise, you wouldn't have such a great start. Congrats!
Two quick questions, if you're kind enough to give your answer: