In October 2020 I started an Instagram account about coding (link at the bottom). After about 6 months I zeroed in on the area of "how to get your first developer job" as it's underserved and a big problem for new devs.
In July 2021 I released a book on how to get your first dev job, to date I've sold like 25 copies and grown the mailing list to around 850 subs.
I did the "build an audience, find out what they need, provide a solution" thing and it's not working.
My Instagram account slowly grew to 8K followers by Feb this year and then it took off and now I'm at 60K followers.
Yesterday I relaunched my site with a better promo video, much better design and significantly better sales copy and made noise on LinkedIn, IG and Twitter.
Not only did I not make a single sale I've also had less than 500 visits to the website (average daily for the past year is around 100).
I sell mentoring, a one on one job search session and the book and I'm just not making any sales.
So what I'm trying to work out is if it's worth carrying on down this path? Should I pivot within the space (build a YouTube channel etc), move down the educational stack (easier to sell learn to code content?) or abandon this audience and pick up one of the many ideas I've been leaving on the shelf whilst doing this?
I'm full time indie since March and while we are personally fine for money, I need to work out how to make an income this year or so.
Help and thoughts welcome as I am stuck on where to go next.
Hey Simon,
You could start a YouTube channel, but run into the same problem.
My take: 99% of people don't like being sold to directly. Any time you sell on a platform like IG or Twitter, those posts get low engagement.
I'd change up your game plan, but take advantage of what you already built.
Start thinking about your funnel instead of sales, as funnels consider the steps before the sale. Fixing one step might unclog your funnel.
A basic funnel:
Focusing on collecting email may change your game and give you a better chance at nurturing sales. While collecting email seems less valuable to you at first, it should be way easier to do then making a sale, right? You have 60K followers, but only a fraction see each post. With email, you can get 15-40% open rate depending on how well you maintain your list. Dangle a carrot like a free resource that answers the question "why would they give you an email"? Providing free value also will help the prospects think of you positively.
The other thing, I'd create a move interactive product. You can sell a book by giving snippets of information, but with an interactive product you can use it in your video posts to show people how to solve problems.
For example: I teach people how to complete a specific website task. I don't sell anything directly, but I grab an image from my website for the tutorial. They can source their images anywhere, but they're now aware of my product.
Hi Matt,
Thanks for this, to be fair my main aim has been building the mailing list. I’ve got 850 people on it and from that I’ve generated a few sales but not a lot. The open rate is good (20-50% depending on the email and how far through the drip campaign people are).
I’ve been considering turning it into a course to give me something else to share but given just how dire sales have been of the book I’m not sure investing more time in turning the same content into another format is sensible?
Thanks again, love your site btw, it was one of the most liked stories I shared the other week when you replied to my tweet 😀
Perfect. You're in a good position.
I'm not a pro on email, but I'd wager a book isn't exciting to your audience and you may not make a ton off 850 people looking for their first serious job. But 850 is more then enough to gather if you're headed in a good direction.
A few more thoughts, maybe:
Awesome, thanks for the sharing Simon :) mind sharing a link to the story?
I’d love to but stories expire after 24 hours so it’s lost to the internet black hole I’m afraid 😞
I think a survey would be a good next step
Hey Simon, I've sold over $1MM in courses through social media. An underrated, but very powerful tactic that I used frequently was live streams (youtube/ig live) + expiring coupon codes.
I'd essentially would just do a simple Q&A session live and just hang out with my viewers, answer simple questions, etc for about an hour once or twice a week.
I'd mention (but never push) the coupon for 20% off that expires in a few hours (make sure it does, ofc). They key, like others have mentioned here, is to not hard sell, but just give the option and show how valuable you and your knowledge are.
Another great booster was to do lives with existing/successful students of your course. I sold 30k in a single hour when I did this one time. Show your viewers that other people are signing up and getting the results they want.
As others have said getting an email list will provide massive returns. I built one of my largest using a simple opt in offering something hugely valuable to my following. Maybe offer your book for free? The classic 'Free Plus Shipping' book funnel has been used for decades by many people. Then upsell another program/course.
Ultimately, just be knowledgeable, helpful, kind, and genuine and people will trust to purchase from you. Feel free to reach out if you wanna chat more.
Wowzers! That's some pretty incredible results - I'd not thought about doing this to be honest. Thanks this gives me a lot to think about and try 😀
Simon,
Don't lose hope at all. The fact that you were able to amass 60K IG followers, you did something right.
I have been selling courses in a similar domain for last 10 years so I know a thing or two.
While above is a disposable email address, in case they're not allowed here, @csallen please let me know.
@simonbarker completely agree with @ankurjain.
Just to reinforce: Don't lose hope at all, and do not give up on IG. I would say you are almost there!
🙏 I hope so 😀
Thanks Ankurjain,
I totally agree with 1 and has been a feeling I've had for a while now.
2 has been my dream from the start I just thought I should choose a less populated niche first, I guess I now know what it's less populated 🤣
Agree about the list, 850 is still pretty small, I think once I can give my followers a better reason to visit my site I'll should be able to do a better job of getting them off platform and on to the list.
Thank you, will be emailing soon
Hi,
it's clear you built a nice audience, so I would not abandon it if I am you.
I am unsure why your product isn't working. Maybe they get enough motivation from your posts and they feel like the book is not giving them anything extra.
Have you tried to sell them something else?
I actually wrote a technical book that could use an affiliate. Would you be interested in selling it to your audience? Almost no harm in trying, and you don't have to build something new yourself just to try something different.
Perhaps you'll see you can sell some and then find other products to try.
Either way, good luck!
Hi,
I'm glad you're a little unsure as well, makes me feel better that I'm not missing something totally obvious. Although I think what others have said about the disconnect between my IG content and my website offering is a likely the root cause. I'm tempted to run some ads and try to get some really targeted traffic as a last attempt on this.
Other than whats on the site at the moment I've not really tried to sell them anything else. I'm an affiliate with Zero To Mastery, IG is so good at keeping people on platform though that tracking to signups has been pretty poor. I know at least 4 people signed up based on my reel and stories but only 1 successfully tracked.
You get great reviews and looks like a great book, happy to explore an affiliate arrangement. Ping me on simon [at] allthecode.co
Simon,
Forget about that "Instagram is not the channel for this" thing.
If it was not the channel, you wouldn't have got that following.
Your audience is there, they are interested in what you are teaching, but your monetization attemps are failling. So what? Just keep testing, but try not to do it so "blindly".
How did you decide that "helping them get a developer job" was a good offer for them?
IMO, the problem is that your Instagram account and your website are disconnected and talking to two different "users" (even if both of them are interested in "coding", their goals are pretty different).
This is a great summary, I’ve assumed they have followed me because they want to get a dev job and that the ones complaining they can’t get a dev job are representative of what the whole audience want - Laois minority perhaps
Simon,
I would say your followers are interested in learning to code, but probably not in a developer job.
Take a look at your posts (and their metrics - I can't do it from the outside!):
You are talking about:
"Best top first programming language"
"New developers should forget about..."
"Essential skills..."
etc
Those doesn't seem like topics that a "developer who is looking for a job" is interested in.
I would say your users are "learners", not "coders".
If I were you, I would:
Partner with some good online coding course (I did some research - because indeed I am considering learning to code - and LaunchSchool and Treehouse seem like pretty good ones!). Talk to them, choose the one that resonates the most with you and partner up.
Offer your "mentorship" as an addon that can accelerate learning.
That way you don't have to create a whole dev course (there are already a ton out there), and you focus where you really (IMO) add value: helping the user undertand the more "abstract and complex" concepts.
If that works, you could consider your own course later, but first validate your hypothesis.
Test that offer before going all in through your IG, and once you validate who (really) is your user, build a proper funnel. Do not expect users to go from "I follow you on IG" to "I pay for your mentorship" on their own. That rarely happens :)
If you need help or some guidance, let me know, would be happy to help!
Cheers!
Pretty awesome that you've picked up on this as my friend and family always say that making that kind of thing understandable is something I'm good at.
I'd love to make a coding course tbh but I think adding in great, short and valuable explainers along the way I think could be my differentiator.
Thank you for all the input, I really appreciate it 😀
Super happy to help Simon, keep us updated!
Hey Simon. How can people buy your product? Do you have a website?
Yep, allthecode.co 😀
I don’t think there’s a lot of ‘developer folks’ on Insta. So, my advice is to leverage your 60k followers to build an audience in another platform that actually has coders. You can try YouTube (especially with shorts these days) for starters.
You can also start a newsletter and sell via that as well.
Thanks, I do have a newsletter already - I guess I’m trying to work out if I’ve invalidated this idea (ie I have a big dev following but not selling therefore no market for what I’ve made) or if going to a new platform (as you say) will help me find a “better” audience
My 2 cents.
This might not be the advice you want to hear, but in my opinion if you've got 60K followers it is certainly possible to monetize your work, but that comes with a caveat of being willing to invest in your brand (in terms of time, and some equipment).
The "how to get your first dev job" space is definitely blowing up, and I see people on YouTube doing really well. How did you grow on Instagram? Was it your chosen channel or did those followers come from another channel?
In my opinion, I'd focus on building a YouTube presence and really try to bring a personal presence to your business. You need to be people can trust easily, and it's easier to build that trust with your face over video than it is with Instagram photos of tips.
All this to say, you've got a following, now it's just maneuvering in the way.
It all came from on platform growth, mainly for a few reels I posted that did really well. Yes I think YouTube is the next place to go. Also I’m pretty invested in this, 18 months and full time since the start of March, I’ve bought a good mic and my podcast sounds great and I’m on every platform except YT 😀
This post telling me that Instagram was the wrong place to grow.
Not sure why I was thinking you have a YouTube channel already. I think it's doable If not a big hassle for you. Even TikTok can work in this case.
You are looking for sales and thinking if it's easier to sell learn-to-code content than do it, pivot. You don't even need to pivot, it's a built product which can sit on the side.
About the product and landing page itself. I find it too broad and the landing page didn't give me any reason to follow along. While reading your bio I expect to see some headhunting career or being in the HR for years. It feels like, you basically sharing your trial and errors during your career. It made it less attractive for me.
I don't usually read that long testimonials, just for the sake of giving a feedback. They were long, one paragraph for each would look better imho.
It could be a design choice but since front-end development is under the same umbrella I for some reason expected to see a more modern(?) user interface.
In any case good luck on whichever path you take.
Thanks, yes I think IG might have been the wrong place to grow - j sort of just fell into posting there as I already enjoyed using the platform
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I’m not really sure what you’re getting at? The flip side of this is “too much energy in building the product before launching” which is equally unhelpful