I spent a month at a monastery this winter, "not working". But the effect it had after the fact changed everything: my happiness while working, my overall productivity, and yes, our revenue.
I know this group is focused on ways to be more productive; this is a post about how time spent actively being "not productive" is actually so integral — there's so much "work on the side" or invisible processing that really goes into being a productive worker. The way we approach productivity itself matters, and sometimes we need to spend some time not actively "producing" in order to actually find optimal productivity.
First, I need to acknowledge that I’m incredibly lucky: I’m able to be building a SaaS product (SlidesWith.com, an interactive presentation tool) that doesn't require too much maintenance to just keep running day to day, and I have a wonderfully generous cofounder who was willing to step in for me to manage our business while I was away. (Thank you, @mason)
Questions I often get: This is such a drastic step, was something really wrong? What did you want to get out of this? You're not particularly spiritual, what possessed you to go? Answers: I’m a driven person, I can work frantically and reactionaryily. I always had to be “being productive”. This was effective, but exhausting. I knew I needed to repair my relationship with work. I knew I needed to spend time focusing on this, or it would keep getting pushed aside and aside. So, I decided to enforce the focus. I moved into a Buddhist cloister!
The monastery itself was a beautiful slate stone building nestled in a valley of the Catskill mountains. We were up at 4am to sit in silent meditation for 2 hours, then the day itself was full of community work (I did a lot of farming and manure-slinging! it was great!), followed by another 2 hours of sitting, then straight to bed to do it again the next day.
The things I learned when I gave myself the time to stop, get quiet, and really look — intensely personal, valuable things — cracked open the foundation of my understanding about why I’m working, and how I want to work each day. Then it rebuilt it from the ground up with deep insights about the value of life, the supremacy of the present moment’s experience, and the impermanence of the very goals I was seeking. It was, in short — super relaxing. I realized I didn't have to strive or strain the way I was doing. I could relax, but still get my work done.
Your mileage of course may vary, and a residency at a monastery is obviously not a path for everyone. I’m not even really recommending you do it. What I am recommending is stopping and taking a look at all the work that goes into just getting to work, and how each moment of your working unfolds. I was working out of fear and anxiety and a driving force to not be idle. Now instead, more than ever, I’m working because of the joy of invention, the fun of learning, and the potential promise of a wonderful life. It’s a fundamental shift for me, from stick to carrot.
And oh my god, am I happier. And our bottom line at the company shows this in real time — we increased our monthly revenue by almost double in the past months. But this is kind of just one of the happy "side" benefits of the real payoff: I’m on a path filled with happiness, each day. I’m enjoying my work, every day. And nothing changed about my external situation — all it took was stopping, looking, noticing, realizing, allowing, appreciating, and returning to this process each day.
So if you’re finding yourself burnt out / whipping yourself to get more done / beating yourself up for not doing enough (like me)... maybe a sitting meditation practice can help.
This is something that has been on my mind a lot lately, so it's cool to hear about another indie hacker doing it.
I've been upping my meditation time to hour long sits and sometimes I feel guilty about meditating for that long but I really feel it gives me some momentary respite from the 24/7 swirling thoughts about the business and am I cut out for it and will it succeed etc..
I've been thinking about doing a 10 day silent retreat but I'm also now really considering a longer retreat at a monastery.. how'd you settle on the one you chose? Any good resources that helped you decide or did you just pull the trigger quickly?
This is amazing! I know what you mean about feeling guilty with those longer sits ("I should be working right now" comes up for me during meditation, too). But I can say with confidence for myself, that every minute I spend on the pillow has value. Whether I'm battling my monkey mind, realizing i'm composing an email, or fully with the breath — it's all moments of steps along the path that my wise mind has chosen as the right one overall (not just for myself but for the business too). It's all valuable practice.
I chose the place I went because I would often pass it on my mountaineering trips to the catskills. It was beautiful, and I already knew I loved it in that region. I looked into their ideas, listened to some of their available dharma talks, and did an interview with them. I determined that it might not be the perfect fit, but their ideas were good ones and I wanted to learn more. As long as you approach it with an open mind, there are many places that have a lot to teach.
I really enjoyed this post. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you, Cecilia, for sharing your story.
It's pretty hard for most people to acknowledge they need a break, so congratulations on that!
Two questions, if you want to take the time to answer:
I'm going a different route with daily meditation, some Yoga, and (hopefully soon) therapy. But I'm often thinking about whether a longer mindfulness retreat or spending a month at a monastery are worth it. What do you think?
Thanks for asking Simon!
I think therapy for me wasn't quite the right fit; I was looking more for a coach and new frameworks to live by, rather than say, addressing specific personal historical issues. I found this in the buddha's teachings, which I think are just incredibly helpful, skillful ways to experience and look at the world. But I think therapy is very very helpful for many, and you should absolutely try it out to see if it's helpful for you.
Yes, the consistency I'm now able to put on projects that we know work is the main thing. These include content creation, warm lead outreach, and content promotion. I might do a fuller post with specifics if there's interest.
It seems like you're already on the right path! The hugest, most helpful thing for me was the sitting practice. If you can build a space for this in your daily life, it can change your overall life. The monastery was just a chance for me to make this practice my main focus. It's so easy to push it aside for the craziness of day to day life, so I was looking for quiet and the ability to make full space for just this endeavor. If you have the inclination, the ability, and the drive, which it sounds like you might, you should absolutely try it out.
Thank you SO much for sharing this! Yes! Such an important reminder. ✨
I did a 10 day Vipassana meditation in 2015. Sounds very similar - 4 am wake up, 2 hour meditation, breakfast, then back to meditation. Complete silence for ten days. In the beginning, I found it nearly impossible to sit still and "do nothing."
I began to realize how strong the programming of "you must be achieving" was for me. I felt it so viscerally. My body spent so much time in a stressed state of fight/flight (do do do!) (prove prove prove!).
After that experience, I tried to change my come-from. To do things from a place of joy and inspiration instead. But, eventually I realized that it wasn't as easy as changing my mind. That I actually needed to learn to regulate my nervous system.
Since then, I've been working with a somatic experiencing therapist (and I've even taken the training myself!) to "rewire" my system. It has literally changed EVERYTHING for me.
People don't understand how their nervous systems shape their entire lives. How, being in fight or flight prevents us from accessing higher brain states. How subconscious fears about worthiness literally prevent us from receiving (or being able to maintain) substantial amounts of money. How a dysregulated nervous system causes blind spots in our awareness and can prevent us from seeing opportunities right in front of our faces.
All day long I use techniques to help me come into a regulated, grounded state. My favorite are those that activate the vagus nerve:
I'd love to learn more about how you managed to "rebuild the foundation" of the way you work. Thanks again for the share! ❤️
This is so amazing, congratulations on your progress and in finding a helpful path!
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