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I'm building an app to take notes on books and remember more from what you read

Hey all,

I noticed yesterday there was a post here asking if people take notes while they read books, and it was great to see how everyone has a different way of doing things.

I've been building Octobook (https://www.octobook.io/) for the last few months to help me remember things from books I've read, and thought some might find this interesting.

I will be releasing a free beta in a week or two. If any indie hackers here interested in this, I'd be more than happy to send invites. Your feedback would be invaluable!

I've personally been using and testing the app to help myself remember concepts from non-fiction books, like a particular software algorithm I learned, or some design concept I found interesting, etc. Reading the thread from yesterday is making me realize the importance of having a Kindle integration, which I'll be pushing up to my to-do list.

Thanks!

on April 16, 2020
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    I would be interested in this.

    Although, a web app feels like the wrong medium - I rarely have my laptop beside me when I’m reading - a mobile app would be much better.

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      Hey Kyle, you're absolutely right! I had some interest in users wanting to use a desktop as it's easier to take longer, more complex notes, but I know a mobile app will be the way to go for a majority of the users.

      I've kept that in mind throughout my development process, and consequently the backend is a decoupled REST API which will allow me to rapidly build out a native app in the future.

      Currently, as the webapp was designed mobile-first, it still has a great user experience on mobile via any browser so there are no restrictions on using it on a smartphone.

      Regardless, nothing beats the convenience of a mobile app. In the short term, I have plans to containerize the app via Ionic/Cordova into a downloadable app for convenience. In the medium to long term, I've planned a dedicated native app for iOS and Android.

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        I think the web app would be useful too for reviewing/organising notes. The mobile app could be very simple and probably should be – I'm easily distracted so I'd only need an app that let me enter some basic text, and take a photo.

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    Hey Ishan, sounds interesting. Wanted to second the Kindle integration. I have a lot of highlights that I never get back to. It'd be awesome to easily access them, and then perhaps add notes and organize them.

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      Good to know! I'll make the Kindle integration a priority

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    Hey Ishan,

    Here are some thoughts for you.

    For background, I read a lot of non-fiction "business books" e.g. entrepreneurship, productivity, marketing, psychology and so on. I started reading these kinds of books in my mid-20's and I think they have been more valuable than the sum of all my years of school.

    I've wrestled with the problem of note-taking while reading over the years, and haven't found a good solution. I'm honestly not sure whether a good solution is even possible, and I'll explain why.

    • I used to use highlights, pencil and post-it notes directly in books. As you can imagine, this isn't ideal – the books get messy, notes are hard to review or edit, etc.
    • Then I started reading on Kindle. While I like how e-ink is easy on the eyes, I hate pretty much everything else. It's too slow, especially for scanning, skipping around the book which I do a lot. The UI is slow, ugly and terrible. Books are locked into the Kindle ecosystem unless you want to break DRM. The Kindle device itself is ugly. Highlighting and note-taking experience is poor.
    • Then I upgraded my device to a Kobo. Slightly better UI/UX and better quality device, but all other problems remain. I still use it occasionally to avoid blue-light screens before bedtime.
    • Then I started taking notes in a Word document. Good for reviewing, and for really thinking about the material. But in the end, too much work and didn't stick with it.
    • Then I started reading on iBooks on the iPad. While the iBooks UI is somewhat basic, it gets the job done and is the best reading, highlighting and note-taking experience I've found so far. (I'm sad that it's such a low bar.) Also, exporting highlights and notes out of iBooks is so difficult I just don't do it which is frustrating. Also, I like to read before bedtime but avoid blue-light screen time; this is partially solved by using night shift + dimming the display.

    In summary, the problem is terrible ebook reader devices/apps + books locked into Amazon/iBooks ecosystem.

    So I think my ideal product would be an awesome ebook reader app on iPad with kick-ass UI/UX and highlighting/annotation capabilities that could be easily exported into a web UI or notetaking app like Evernote or Notion. But you would then have the problem of how to get ebooks into the app without resorting to piracy or DRM cracking.

    Anyway, I just signed up for the beta. I look forward to seeing where Octobook goes. Of all the features, the most important to me by far is the ability to take notes/highlights, organize them, and review them.

    Hope this feedback helps and good luck!

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      Thanks for taking the time to write an elaborate reply. I think we have a lot of similar reading interests!

      I agree about Kindle, and in general the lack of "perfect" devices for e-reading. I'll have to look into the complexity (or even the possibility) of importing eBooks into a third party app in the short-mid term.

      I'm going to focus my efforts in the short term to perfect the note taking aspect, and providing helpful insights for you. Once the basics are polished, I'll have plenty time to work on further integrations and really take the app to the next level.

      Thanks again for your input!

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    Hi Ishan!

    I highly recommend you reading this post on the Shopify’s Director of Production Engineering methodology of retaining information. What he does sounds aligned with your product.
    https://superorganizers.substack.com/p/how-to-build-a-learning-machine?fbclid=IwAR21nXNvfpxs9zJV4_xAXy3836T9lb2ZCZUyMhy_tzvptnbs_3AK8jWQ4go

    Best of luck :)

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      Great stuff in here! Thanks!

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    Hey some feedback,
    for me a real important option would be, that I can export my stuff in a decent for mat anytime because I dont want to lose my notes :)

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      Good to know :) thanks for your input! I'll add options to export everything in CSV, PDF, etc.

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    Looks nice.

    BTW, if you ever think you need a better domain name (.com) let me know I have a unused suitable domain for this.

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    Might be worthwhile checking out www.readwise.io.

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      I've come across Readwise before. I gave their app a try but it wasn't quite what I was looking for. The note taking for me was restrictive (its more for writing down simple quotes or paragraphs) and I couldn't find my way around their confusing user experience.

      What Octobook does differently is firstly let you catalog and organize your books and track your reading progress. The note taking feature is more flexible as the editor is WYSIWYG vs a simple text box. You can format your notes however you like. I find this useful if I want to take notes on software engineering concepts for example which contain code.

      On top of that, you are able to track your progress over time and see how much time you spent reading, if you have been reading any faster, how much information you've retained, etc. There is a dedicated insights feature with charts and data points.

      Readwise has some great integrations though. Definitely a service to look up to in terms of their integrations. I'm hoping to prioritize some important ones like Kindle and Pocket in the near future!