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I'm the co-founder of Dialup. I also sell Branded Fruit and 21 other products, ask me anything!
I started my first business in the MMO Runescape in 2001 and have since been rapidly launching companies and projects that mostly exist in parallel. I've
Hi Danielle, can you live off your products?
Or more precisely, can you live comfortably off your products without working 40+ hour weeks and take more than 1 month a year off work?
People ask me this question a lot @webbie and @joke. I have supported myself, indeed! For a decade. It has always been stressful. The feeling of will this work has never disappeared. But it has been worth the stress for the freedom.
For the last year, I've been both supporting myself and other employees, as well as manufacturing equipment and supplies. It hasn't always been that way.
I started my company Inkwell Helmets when I was 19. I could pay my rent by painting helmets, as well as doing theater set design and being a part-time assistant for a philosopher. Throughout the years, I've been through periods where I have to do random gigs to support me and my businesses. I've made puppets, worked for an architectural model maker, was an AirBnB maid, a marketing consultant, and a producer at a branding agency.
I made a few "back up businesses" for times when I needed money, like a signmaking company. (Companies will always need signage, so that's something I can always hustle.) I also occasionally sell drawings and paintings.
Right now, I can live off all my companies, but the longevity of my companies are of course unknown. I'm considering learning locksmithing too, as it's a timeless trade with reliable work and flexible hours.
How did you get customers for the signs? Was it cold emails, door to door, word of mouth? I would love to be able to realise that I both needed money and could create a small company to get it like that
Good SEO. I got the domain name signmaker.nyc because I thought people would use the search term "signmaker nyc" when they were looking for signs. That theory was true, I got cold emails from local businesses, but it took a couple of months.
I originally started by soliciting in a coworking space to put logos on people's glass doors. I knocked on doors and asked if people needed a sign for $80. Lots of people said yes, even Mozilla. Then my clients recommended me to other friends with businesses. I ended doing signs for cafes, restaurants, and small businesses. If new businesses moved into my neighborhood, I would walk in and ask them if they needed "Store hours" written on the vinyl. I also did a "Please sign in with security" sign for a local school.
By the time WOM spread, the SEO also kicked in. I toggled the business on and off, but never shut down the contact form.
Thanks for the candid response @djbaskin
"the longevity of my companies are of course unknown" << I can definitely appreciate the sentiment. People tend to think of online businesses as being immune to downturns compared to offline businesses, but it's just that they are less risky to manage and easier to pivot and restructure cost for. But really, all businesses have a cycle, so I would say longevity of most companies is unknown in modern times.
Thanks for the AMA and sharing your amazing story.
Curious what this Runescape business was. Still get the urge to mindlessly chop down willows almost 20 years later...
Also, do you have any tips for getting into manufactured products? It can be pretty daunting making the move from software to tangible goods.
I was a feather dealer in Runescape! I had a business selling bulk quantities of feathers to high-level archers so they wouldn't have to walk back to the general store while they were in battle. The in-game stores only sold small quantities, but I offered bundles of 100+ and I'd deliver them directly to the players. Like Uber for Feathers.
I acquired my feathers by hiring players that were new to Runescape. Since they needed to level up anyway by attacking small creatures, I convinced them to kill chickens, which would drop feathers. I paid them in gold and armor in return for all their feathers. Some people worked for me for 1 hour, some for a week. Then I marked up the feathers and advertised my services to the wealthy archers. New players leveled up, top archers saved time, and I got paid for my services. Everyone won. I had repeat clients and a list of rolling employees which I kept in a notebook. This was in 2001. None of this was for real money, but account was worth over 2 billion in gold by the time I quit.
What do you want to manufacture? I sort of fell into manufacturing. I studied sculpture and was a props maker, so I've been in the habit of making objects. Then people wanted my objects, so I had to design repeatable processes with cost-efficient materials.
The project I learned the most from was the Pokéball-themed battery that went viral. I had to hire 25 assembly line workers and we made a few thousand of these mostly by hand. I wasn't trying to become a battery manufacturer, but I rapidly prototyped the original object and then suddenly had the problem of needing to make thousands of these.
I'm moving from tangible goods to software, so I'd love some tips from you!
That's a pretty awesome set up you had going there. To think I was excited about my first mill !
It's funny because as much time as I wasted on RS when I was a kid, I definitely learned some valuable life lessons playing it, especially financially.
One thing that comes to mind is mechanical keyboards and key caps. I was always interested in how some individuals worked with manufacturers to do group drops and things a long those lines.
On the Pokéball battery, that's an awesome story and was probably a great learning experience.
I'm always up to help where I can, though I'm not exactly a successful founder yet!
Thanks for all of the great information and thoughtful replies, Danielle!
Is there anything specific you would like to know about software?
What is your favorite fruit?
This is a good question. Kumquats are my favorite fruit. They're both intensely sweet and sour at the same time. I also like that they're bite-sized and enjoy bringing them on hikes.
They're also amazing paired with miracle berry.
While they're good blank, they always taste better when they're branded with a logo.
What are the legal nuts and bolts of creating a tiny business on the side? Do you have a checklist or process you run through for it?
Great ih podcast a while back btw
I put all my businesses into one umbrella LLC at first, and then if one business seems like it's becoming a larger entity, I'll create a new LLC. Right now I have 3 LLCs and 1 C Corp.
I use Stripe Atlas! Then I do all the proper legal work, like a getting a business license in my state, etc.
Keeping everything under the same sole-proprietor LLC is a good to do at first, in case your project doesn't take off.
thanks!
Very late to the party but want to drop a note that I really enjoyed the indie hackers podcast you were interviewed on! So awesome to hear your experiences.
How do you decide which ideas to create? Do you just default to do all of them?
Whichever ideas stick around for the longest and won't leave my mind are the ones I actually make. I tend to not write down many ideas, because the ones I care about the most will always just float to the top of my mind. Other ideas can be exciting for a few days, but not really be good. I try to forget everything so I don't pursue the mediocre ones.
Sometimes I wait months or years to act upon stuff, because it just keeps returning to my thoughts. It took me around two years to launch Physical Cloud and I ended up selling them to Amazon Web Services a few weeks after I launched the site.
Sometimes I create ideas within a few days, if I feel like it's really time sensitive. I made Drone Sweaters right before Christmas and Pokéball batteries right after the game came out. Neither would have worked as a good internet story if I launched them at a different time. And both were cheap and quick to initially set up.
Founders are often the type of people who will take on too many projects or ventures at once. Many I know have new ideas every day. How do you know when the time is right is to start something new? Do you just go with new ideas or wait for an opportune moment?
See above answer!
How do I know something is time-sensitive? Paying attention to the internet so I'm aware of what's relevant to other people at this particular moment in time.
I also talk about random ideas at parties or wherever and pay attention to how people react. Verbalizing ideas to someone else is a great way to see if they're actually good. I dismiss a lot of my own ideas if it doesn't feel new or relevant.
What is your top 3 marketing tips
Your podcast episode made me lol few times. Branded fruit... genius! How do you manage so many businesses? I have hard time just managing one on the side.
You’ll probably lol at this too—I have a Slack team just for me! I get notifications for orders, inquiries, request, etc. across all my companies using Zapier. I different channels for each project.
I use Airtable to stay organized and paper / whiteboards to write down all the stuff in my mind, then I prioritize it once it's all written down.
Managing different businesses at once is something I’m constantly learning how to do. It’s complicated — especially when deadlines overlap. I’ve been hiring people to replace me for specific processes and I try to communicate with everyone I'm working with about my agenda for the day through individual company Slacks. I have one for Dialup and Branded Fruit.
I can't even imagine...
You should write a book on how to manage multiple products/businesses! Once you feel like you got it down to a formula (and have time LOL)
How do you justify running so many products in parallel that compete for your time? Wouldn't the best value for your time be to focus on 1-2 that have the most potential?
P.S. I had 2 businesses and felt that was a conflict.
I think I need to have a bunch of businesses or projects, because they use different parts of my brain and I learn random knowledge from different projects that benefit other projects.
If I focused on just one thing, I might have too much tunnel-vision and I could ignore another thing that people want.
For example, right now Branded Fruit is a better business than Inkwell Helmets. When I launched it, I felt like I was procrastinating things, but it's 5x the MRR of my helmet company and it wouldn't have existed if I tabled it for later.
I think it's good to toggle between ideas, binge work on ideas for a few months, then return to old ideas. I'll return back to helmets next spring probably, now that I've learned a lot about bulk orders and fulfillment from my fruit business. I'm also learning about working with engineering teams for Dialup and UX design for mobile apps that will benefit other projects when I return to them.
I feel like each company I start gives me a new toolkit that I can use for everything else.
Fascinating... but I know what you are saying about learning different things.
I have about half a dozen ideas parked in my head, some for more than 10 years, but I have this hesitation to pursue them because I think it will hurt the ones that are most promising (at least commercially)...
Some day I will find it in me to make the leap into side-projects again (again, because 10 years ago I had a FT 6-figure job, 6-figure online biz, and I flipped real estate as a hobby that also made money)...
Thanks for the AMA!
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