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Is passive SaaS income even possible?

This is a question that bugs me from quite a while. While I am currently employed full time as the CTO of an early stage startup in the B2B sector, I am also considering the possibility to start my own thing on the side, to achieve the dream of having some passive income.

Building a SaaS is challenging, sure, but also, in theory, has the best potential to generate some very nice side income passively. After all, subscriptions get paid on a monthly basis and once you find a channel through which you acquire enough customers to offset the churn, in theory it could be the way to go.

But the conclusion I came to is that running a SaaS business will never be passive in the true sense because:

  • the more customers you acquire, the more you will need to provide support
  • increasing costs of running the software (sure, you can scale to a large number of customers by using very low cost providers and abuse free tiers).
  • marketing - to get customers, you still need to put in some effort in marketing. After all, we all know that "build and they will come" is false.
  • Bigger clients that require SLAs and contracts in place will increase the risk of having outages and bugs.

After all, I consider running a SaaS for passive income is a no go most of the times, mainly due the need for providing support and marketing.

What do you think?

posted to Icon for group Software as a Service
Software as a Service
on February 13, 2022
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    I've run a SaaS for 10 years. Here's what I've found.

    It's a passive as you design it and your lifestyle.

    B2B is hard to make passive if your price point is high enough to matter to your clients. The more mission-critical your service, the more of a headache for you, particularly as a solo. Unless you can outsource the headache and don't mind losing a few clients, that won't work.

    B2C works better, but marketing becomes the challenge if you don't have built-in virality.

    If you can build something that is simple to understand and operate, customer service can be minimal. If you make enough, you can outsource some customer service. knowledgebases and chatbots are your friend.

    My SaaS is not as passive as an ebook, but what's more important to me is that I can make it more or less passive based on my needs. When my day job is busy, I can ignore all but the most pressing customer service or outsource it. If something goes wrong, I have a developer that knows enough to fix it without me.

    When I have more time, I can invest in blog writing or other marketing activities and then "go dark" when I want.

    I picked a small niche which has the drawback of smallish opportunity and the benefit of very little competition. I thought technology would have developed to make my solution obsolete over 10 years, but instead I was able to expand my product mix and stay relevant.

    If you truly want passive, try an ebook or course. If you want relatively reliable recurring revenue that builds over time, SaaS is still better IMHO.

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    You’re absolutely right, there’s no such thing as passive income in any context. Even with stocks you (should) review your investments on the regular, and doing that effectively requires significant research if you aren’t actively working in the industry you’ve invested in.

    I think people use the term passive when the effort you put in is much lower than the gains. The effort would never be 0. But if you have a person or team managing a SaaS (or any business) for you, and all you need to do it check in with them every few weeks, that’s a pretty good place to be.

    Or you could sell for millions and only give yourself a little but at a time. That’s also pretty passive 😅

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      Do you think an ebook could provide passive income? What about a short online course?

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          While true, it looks like Rob is a unicorn. How many of his paid followers are doing the same? His books are required reading in college courses. If we could all be that lucky.

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            There are many random small books or resource lists on gumtree for example that the authors claim make significant passive income and look very simple to create. Just got to find the right audience and way to generate traffic. The quality of the actual product doesn’t even need to be that good To earn a lot, just need good marketing and correct audience fit

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            I agree Rob is a unicorn, but I also think any reasonably successful author can say the same about passive income. Most products require some level of maintenance and upkeep. I think books are one of the few products that don't require any.

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          It's perhaps a specious distinction, but this is only passive for Rob. The publishing company very much actively works to generate that revenue.

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        An ebook may provide passive income, but only if people buy it. Do enough people know your name? Do enough people trust you to be able to write a book about the field which you will write about? In other words, do enough people know about your qualifications? Just writing a book and dropping it onto Kindle Store doesn't guarantee sales.

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          Sure, if it’s not income then it’s definitely not passive income, right?😂
          My questions were intended to provoke thought regarding the statement:

          there’s no such thing as passive income in any context

          Which is blatantly false.

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    I think you got it exactly right.

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    Not possible. e-books and blogs maybe.

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    Yes, it is possible. You have to develop systems in place and remove yourself from the company after you reach profitability. Read EMyth Mastery: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000RO9VIQ/

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    Passive like owning a million dollars in an ETF and withdrawing 4% every year? Nope. Never.

    But would you really want that? My favorite situation would be a high income with steady work and new challenges along the way.

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    No, I don't think it is possible. You'll always have to put effort in (1) in the beginning to set things up and (2) to maintain it later on. Even if you outsource things, you have to maintain the maintainers. If there was a things such as passive income and it was easily attainable, wouldn't everybody already be doing it?

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    I personally don't think Saas is a good example of passive income, as running a Saas is a full-time job in the first few years at least. Even when the product is finished, it can always be improved, and the marketing tasks are never-ending.

    There is always another newsletter, another blog post, another ad, another social media post, right? Those things take time and require daily attention.

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    I will counter and disagree, with the caveat that even if you can, you shouldn't.

    I have had some SaaS before generating passive income so know that it is possible.
    By passive I mean no involvement for a month or more at a time, so comparable to most stocks or other passive considered incomes.

    But in each case there was automated support, no focus on growth and surprisingly, no growth.
    Truly passive SaaS is basically in a coma.
    Like a coma this is a last resort survival method, when trying to keep a project alive while waiting for a cure.

    But if you are wanting to start a SaaS you likely don't want a coma. In that case you need to spend a steady focus on it, with the time increasing as you find traction.

    Support, bug fixes, marketing, sales, management, these are anything but passive.
    Or if you truly manage to automate all of them, that is the holy grail of Passive SaaS!

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    Totally agree, I'm living this at the moment. I'm technical co-founder of a SaaS product for about 5 years now and while it took time for it to finally start bringing in extra income, it's still not even enough to hire a full-time developer. I still moonlight doing maintenance and adding new features. Our target market is mid-to-small businesses because their demands will have less burden on the system which translates to fewer bugs/outages :). The few outages we get so far I can usually resolve which is why I'm always against aggressive marketing that my co-founder wants because it will greatly increase the risk of outages and bigger consequences than it is worth. The organic growth is slow but it allows me to keep any unexpected demands of the product manageable.

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      Why does outages occur? Is it deployed in the cloud?

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        Outages are rare but usually due to one component failure e.g. task scheduling (Python celery library or redis server) becomes unresponsive, Letsencrypt have changed their API and certs don't get automatically renewed, lol. Such errors come up out of the blue. Yes, it runs on Google Cloud Engine.

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