Loneliness is the epidemic of the 21st century, so why don't we see successful meeting platforms?
I know, there are Facebook, Meetup, forums, this stuff... But if loneliness is a real issue, why nobody still didn't manage to create a successful non-sexual meeting-dedicated platform?
I see there are quite many apps that try to do so, but I don't know any of them, which leads me to think that none of them are successful.
Why do you think nobody managed to build such a platform? There is no demand?
*BTW, I'm talking about meeting physically people from your neighborhood, and not about virtual pals.
The reason is simple. Tech can't resolve this problem, tech is one of the causes.
Online interactions are a poor substitute and actually hurt psychological well-being.
Well-put, though I'm one of the people who (irrationally?) hope we can do better over time. Check out https://humanetech.com if you haven't, maybe you'll like it
While you can create a better environment compared to the current solutions, virtual relationships are still a bad surrogate of real relationship.
To win loneliness people need to meet for real. It's how are brain evolved in hundreds of thousands of years. You can't work around that.
Agreed, but see other comments here - for my part, I've only been talking about in-person meeting where it's just facilitated by tech
The problem I see is that it's really hard to move from digital to real life relationship.
For example, I read that the average dating app user needs more than 80 hours to get a date. At two hours per day, it means 9 real life encounters per year. And not many people have two hours just to chat.
I proposed the solution I had in mind in another comment, but I am not able to overcome that obstacle.
Why doesn't Meetup count? It's not about sex or relationships, it brings people together in real life, and it's huge.
There are also plenty of niche-based platforms doing the same. You probably won't hear much about these unless you belong to their particular niche. Indie Hackers is a good example. We've been averaging 2 meetups/day in recent months.
I'd also posit that there are lots of real-world events and places that don't need any online platforms to bring people together. Most people are fully aware that they can waltz down to their local bar, dance classes, farmer's market, etc., and strike up a conversation.
The problem may be loneliness, but it's risky to assume the cause of the problem is that people don't know where to find each other. There are many other possible causes. For example, perhaps people are addicted to Netflix/social media/etc. and that's preventing them from getting out.
Super true.
Regarding your examples I think there's something to unpack there. They're all good examples, but they're all group examples -- and probably all a bit easier in a "real" city with a center or center(s).
Regarding cities: I stay in a city for that reason, and will as long as I can afford it, even though it hinders other goals like bootstrapping a business. I'm from Florida and lived in both suburbs and what they called "cities" but were just sprawl, sprawl, sprawl. Meeting people was near-impossible except for college. Cities, college - both need economic privilege (beyond the privilege of internet access, which is far wider spread).
Regarding groups: I've had several friends with pretty severe social anxiety in more public group settings, but who were pretty comfortable meeting people 1:1, at a small dinner party, or via a "friend of a friend." So that is a way a friend-matchmaking app could be different... and actually pretty different than traditional "strike up conversation at a (semi)public event" ways of meeting people.
Oh, and there's also people who aren't comfortable with smalltalk or the native language, yet aren't very engaged by practicing those specifically (also describes a number of friends I've had).
It's not the cause of loneliness, that there aren't apps to get around this... But it's novel to think about whether a well-designed app would help a lot of people. Not save the world, just help.
P.S. Sorry for so much posting in this thread, it's just a topic I've thought about a lot. Partly to question myself about why I live in a city and so far from my aging parents.
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Agree it's an interesting and real problem – and one I've been looking at personally with Skillmap
I see you're on the 20 startups a year challenge, 9 by now -- are you going to make it? I like the ones you came up with by now, keep up the good work!
Thanks so much! Haha it's a good question... I had to learn to build apps for the first one, so there was a major learning curve to begin with, but my pace is increasing and some of the ones to come are a little easier/less technically complex to validate, or they actually leverage the infrastructure I've already built! Watch this space... 🤞
Can you tell about it?
It's pretty new and just slowly rolling our city by city... but it tries to play the role of that friend who seems to know everyone and intro you to people. In effect, it's an invite-only network that tells you who is nearby, but with physical appearance removed and only skills, experience and interests shown.
I love this concept. I've wanted it, haven't found it, and thought about building it. Glad you are :))
Thanks! Hopefully Skillmap will come to Portland in the not-too-distant future, would love to have you try it!
We are trying to solve this problem by building an app that lets you meet and host meetups near you. Having a hard time figuring out a business model that aligns with the mission though. It's true that monetizing makes most of these apps pivot to either networking or dating. We can't use advertising since that requires a large number of active users and our goal is to get people off the app as soon as possible and meet in real life.
Take a look at our Product Hunt page and let me know whether you think this product can help solve this problem: https://www.producthunt.com/posts/tagmate
here is the website's link (its only launched for universities for now) https://tagmateapp.com
Interesting question @MatanYad. You do mention Meetup, and I think it is in fact quite successful.
Perhaps not in getting people from the same neighborhood together, but definitely in getting people together who have the same interests. Whether that is entrepreneurship, indie hacking, DnD gaming, or something else entirely.
Or is that not what you meant? What other features would Meetup need to have to help solve loneliness?
I would argue that most of the people who are lonely are socially awkward, so meetups (which are usually made by groups of 10+ people) are a disaster.
Agreed. Meetup is very successful and is one of the few internet sites that helps people meet IRL. It would be nice to see more competitors too.
I am not sure Meetup.com it's the solution for the loneliness issue I'm talking about.
It perceived as a platform for crowded events like conferences, workshops, etc... You most likely won't find a friend on these platforms, during the meetup you probably feel in a friendly environment, but nothing else (in most of the cases).
I think today's people need a platform to meet other people to do stuff together like running, play basketball/Puzzle/PC games, stuff like that.
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An interesting "case study," to your point - there is an app Hey Vina that is "tinder but for (girl) friends!" My wife met some friends through it and it wasn't too awkward.
I think Hey Vina pivoted though, to focusing on more "networking"? Probably as a way too monetize. To your point @agota, incentives seem to cause such an app to move towards dating or networking. So thinking of Hey Vina, yeah I wondered, does it have to become either dating or networking, or not? What might lead to different results?
I suspect that the difference of venture capital vs bootstrapping, could make a difference.
Just Googled a bit and found that: there's now "Bumble BFF," and other upstarts - this mentioned a few https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/how-to-make-friends-apps . (Bumble BFF could be an exception to the rule where it would have to go towards dating-or-marketing to get the business out of the red... Since it's a tack-on to an existing dating platform.)
Friend-making apps is definitely an underserved market, and IMHO there's an appetite. In my mind the main difficulty is that social apps demand scale rather quickly, and that's costly w/o venture capital; but then venture capital's incentives push towards aggressive-growth, and that doesn't often align with friend-making (related: humanetech.com). Relevant on this point - "Network Effects" and "MetCalfe's Law" - both are worth reading about on Wikipedia. There are also plenty of discussions of network effects and tech; here's a relevant one to this discussion: https://andrewchen.co/social-network-death-spiral-how-metcalfes-law-can-work-against-you/
Network Effects are both powerful and hard to manage... And in social apps/brands your marketing has to be a bit more cunning than other cases. It has to be really good marketing to get adoption, seemingly.
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Sorry for my lack of knowledge, I never saw hiking/board game events in Meetup.com, I am a programmer so I only saw conferences and lectures.
Of course, no one is preventing you from building friendship, but I don't think it's really working this way in these meetups.
I also against "dating app, but for friends", it's dummy, I think it's should have some niche to make people come together, sports like running/basketball, etc...
I just think there are no straight-forward solutions for people that moved to a new city, or for some other reason, want to find some friend to pass a few hours together, and maybe keep on touch.
In the past I was thinking about a "uber for friends". Two people get matched by an AI, based on interest, city and availavility, and sent to a place where they have to meet.
There is one big problem I didn't know how to overcome. What happens if one of them doesn't go at the appointment?
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The reason is that this is more of a mental issue and not what technology might resolve. I think people just have to find an alternative way of making this difference. As someone that has been married for 11 years I still get lonely sometimes especially when my business is not doing well or I have a need that is not being met on time.
I'm just starting to work on something in this space, but like most social problems really solving it will be take more than just one thing.
Whats App groups have appeared in my life in the past year for organizing meets with local people - for me these are typically parent and home education related. I think many parents create unofficial WhatsApp groups for the school classes their kids are in.
A friend of mine is working on an app called "Owly - Senior Discounts" with the mission of helping this problem, for seniors specifically. Loneliness, suicide, and fall deaths, are all major issues in aging populations. (I'm in the US, don't know if it is different elsewhere. And I mention fall deaths since they happen more often, and are more often fatal, when people are isolated and sedentary.)
Their hope is that it's a simple and easy way for seniors to find things to do, and in the process meet other people.
It's available in the Bay Area, if anyone lives there or has older family living there!
https://www.owlyapp.com
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/owly-senior-discounts/id1471840578
Thanks for starting this thread. It is a very important question to ask, and keep asking.
This is a great short video from Aeon that is relevant here.
https://aeon.co/videos/a-happy-life-is-built-on-pleasures-such-as-sex-and-food-but-also-company-and-variety
Here's the summary:
The solution to this is not digital
In Germany there is https://nebenan.de/ don't if it's successful
I think this platform will come, it's a deep need that hasn't been filled properly in the marketplace. Or Facebook will bolt on something.
My friend has been working on a solution.
https://www.greatestappever.com
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I respect your opinion but disagree with the dichotomous conclusion. We can be more or less lonely, and have more or less access to socializing with people. Differences of degree matter