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My co-founder doesn't take things seriously enough. What should I do?

UPDATE: I have removed two of my three "trial team members" from the team.

I've recently joined forces with two co-founders to embark on a journey towards building a profitable business. After just one week of collaboration, I find myself a bit concerned about one of my team members. My unease stems from what I perceive as insufficient effort on their part.

In my view, personal businesses demand at least twice the dedication and hard work compared to a regular job. What's your perspective on this?

We all gathered last Wednesday, and the results from that day's work were satisfactory. However, my teammate seems reluctant to meet in person for more than two days a week, preferring remote work for the rest of the time. Unfortunately, since our in-person meeting on Wednesday, I've had limited communication from him. Given that he, like me, isn't involved in technical aspects, I expect way more communication from him than from our developer co-founder, but that's not the case at all.

I brought him into the team because of a few reasons:

  • It's not easy to find potential co-founders in my relatively small town, but I prefer working together in person.
  • He appeared to be motivated, having left his regular job to fully commit to starting a business again (his previous business wasn't online though).
  • I envisioned us meeting in person 3-4 days a week, which would make it easier to accept less activity on the other days. Personally, I find my motivation sky-high the day after we've worked together, and I'm highly productive when working alone from home on that day. So, if we meet on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, I'd be more motivated to work remotely on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays.

However, at this moment, I can't shake off my reservations about him. It seems to me that he might be treating this online business endeavor too lightly, and his motivation doesn't appear to match my expectations, much like my previous non-technical co-founder, whom I parted ways with after six months.

I've tried to address my concerns with him, and his response was as follows:
"What's important is that we work on the projects actively and not sporadically, or else we won't make progress. I do believe we can manage this both remotely and on-site. Let's stick to the plan we discussed for now, and, if necessary, we can always get together."

He didn't acknowledge my concerns about his lack of work or responsiveness over several days. Regarding the plan, he means that we aim to work together in person for 2 days a week. I initially agreed to this plan because he expressed that more than 2 days in person would be too much for him, and he said that we would work the rest of the week remotely (something I currently don't see happening).

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on October 29, 2023
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    this is, unfortunately, something that happens very often, most people think about startups as vehicles for getting funding from investors and ideally multimillion "exits" not building products or businesses. So they just sit and wait for someone else to come over and do the work.

    If you are a tech person and the other two co-founders are nontech, there is a very high probability all will go down the drain.

    If the other two are tech and you are not, then the best you can do is to try to build something with the person that you can actually work with, unless they call themselves a "Front End Developer" or "Python Developer", then just go watch some YouTube or TikTok videos, it will be 100 times more productive way of spending your time.

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      I am not a tech person. This post concerns a second person, who is also not a tech person, and who is not very complimentary to me. I basically onboarded him so I can work with someone in person, throw and discuss ideas and problems and tackle stuff together. But now I found out that he actually wants to work from home most of the time, so it just doesn't make any sense. I told him about the problem and we will have a phone call today. I think I'll have to let him go, but let's see what he suggests to do.

      Co-Founder 1 (Developer, part-time, 20-30 hours/week): I'm 85% happy with him
      Co-Founder 2 (B2B Sales person, 16 hours/week): I'm 40% happy with him, he wants to invest only 16 hours/week but wants the same shares as other co-founders who invest (way) more time, which is kinda a red flag.
      Co-Founder 3: (Experience with B2C, no experience with online projects, ? hours) - I'm only maybe about 20% happy with this person, because he's not complimentary, not a must-have and also like I said, he wants to work mostly from home even though he's from the same city.

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      Just curious, why ‘unless they call themselves a “Front End Developer” or “Python Developer”’?

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        that is valid only in the early stage of a startup, if the dev team grows to 20+ people narrow specialists may be useful assuming you have a proper CTO.
        but in general, in the beginning, you are not looking for just a developer you are looking for a CTO, and a CTO is someone who can build things end to end, starting with proper technical architecture, hosting environment, building application framework, design and create the database, code the actual functionality, be able to properly test it, sort out any scalability issues, deploy and support the application, hire the right people to expand the team, organize their work and monitor the output, and plan the next two major application versions before the work on the first is finished.
        Long story short, anyone that puts in front the word developer (regardless of the years of experience), "Front end", "Back end", "Web", "Python", "JavaScript", or basically anything else but "Software" is practically useless in a team of 2-3 cofounders, and any attempt to work with such person is just relying on luck that they will be good at doing all the necessary things for a successful application.
        And I'm talking about, luck like "winning the Powerball 5 times in a row after you survived a ship, plane, train, car, and motorcycle crash before each purchase of the lottery ticket"

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    Hi @nearmint, It is a little hard to understand from your post whether your issue is with him not wanting to meet in person more than 2 days a week, which you two seem to have agreed upon, or that he is not working the rest of the days that you guys are remote. Also, a little hard to gauge why a developer co-founder is fine communicating less frequently than a non-technical founder.

    From personal experience, having worked at 4 different fully remote startups, I can attest that, if done correctly, remote work is just as, sometimes more, effective than in-person work. Certain exceptions may be valid for very early-stage startups.

    My suggestion would be to set clear deliverables for each co-founder and hold them accountable for those, regardless of their communication style. Communication preferences and styles vary a lot, and building trust between co-founders is the most important factor for success. If you don't see the person delivering on the commitments, then you surely have a problem. If they deliver what's agreed upon, but lack the skill to communicate, then work on bridging the expectation gap on communication.

    Finding co-founders is hard, and it can get even messier to get rid of someone if they have equity in the company. So I'd suggest understanding each other's expectations and communication styles and creating a culture of accountability as the best approach here.

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      Hi @aihackerrohan, both things are an issue. The main issue for me is that he wants to work mainly remotely, while I got him onboard so I have someone to work in person with. In addition to that, on the days that he is working remotely, I don't see much output.

      I did now write down my expectations for every co-founder and even for myself, I shared the document with everyone and I encouraged them to also write down their expectations.

      Luckily no one has company equity yet.

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        That feels like the right move. I hope things work out. Wish you the best

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    I'm picking up 2 different threads in your post:

    1. My co-founder prefers to work remotely and I prefer at least some in-person
    2. My co-founder (separately from point 1) isn't putting in a serious effort

    (1) seems resolvable, though not ideal. Being founders is not unlike being married. And you don't want to commit to marrying someone who has totally different living preferences from you. Having said that, maybe you can you longer video work sessions to simulate working together while still being separate? I think there are lots of services that facilitate this

    (2) If this really is a lack of effort and not just your perception due to (1), then I'd cut things off right away. If you can't be motivated at the beginning when things are exciting, then just imagine when you're in the really tough stages.

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      I'm fine with having some home office work, and maybe some virtual collaboration sessions, but I don't like that right now I have to beg him and beg him for each day of in-person collaboration. And he also seems unwilling to get a fixed schedule, he wants to keep everything spontaneous.

      regarding (2), when we're working from home, I'm the one who communicates a lot (we're using WhatsApp) and I'm often not even hearing back from him for 30+ hours. From a developer I can understand that, but not from a business person. He also doesn't have a lot of other output to show for during the days we do home office. The most he did last week was create a mockup.

      I'll have a phone call with him later today. He already knows my complaint.

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    Hey,

    I would think about clearly establishing boundaries. Ideally this is done at the beginning of the relationship but you can still do it now but you can still get there.

    Ultimately, what matters is getting the business launched. The way you do that is establish objectives with your team and determine a reasonable timeline. This is as easy as spending 1-2 hours and asking "what should we do next?" You can document the tasks and expected due dates. If teamwork is the issue, you will fall off schedule which gives you the basis to build a better team dynamic.

    Overall - focus on the business first then optimizing the team dynamic. The team exists to build the business. It is amazing what open ended questions and documentation compared to games of telephone. You have a right to understand the plan otherwise the business will not be successful.

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    Would echo a lot of what's been said here.

    1. Some people have different ways of working, can completely understand the desire to be more remote. You're in a small town, so theoretically it should be easy to grab a coffee together even if you're not getting much work done, but hopefully that will inspire conversations and output further. Would add to this that if you're not really inspired by that individual then they shouldn't really be part of the founding team, sorry! It doesn't even have to be work-related imho but you need something about that person to have you excited.

    2. Definitely if there's not great work ethic or communication, might be first worth asking how they like to communicate? Could they provide a daily standup on your Slack/chat app about what they're up to? A video call?
      Also, are they a team player or more individual? Sounds like more of the latter, which would hold you back until you expand the team further.

    Nevertheless, good luck, post back here with how it goes!

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      1. Yeah I completely agree with you. I mean the world is pretty divided on remote work right now, see for example this article - https://hbr.org/2023/07/tension-is-rising-around-remote-work. Plus you're also right, he probably shouldn't be in the founding team and I hope I'll get that sorted out during the phone call I have with him today or in the following days.

      2. Suggesting a daily standup would theoretically be possible. Currently we are all communicating on WhatsApp.

      Thanks for your input!

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    Set clear deliverables for you and him, and make everyone accountable around it.

    Everyone have different communication styles, your cofounder might just not be the one that is on the talking side.
    And about working in person, there is no point if you are measuring everyone's else contribution around their deliverables.

    Working in person there is only one reason for it, to get a stronger bond with the person. If your startup goal is not about it, it seems to me that you are asking for it for a personal need, instead of a work/goal related reason.

    Joining forces in a work environment is just like getting married. You will need to compromise as well to make it work.

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      Hi @arthurbarros, thanks for your comment. I agree everyone has different communication styles, so setting clear deliverables should be a way to test if someone is actually putting in enough work.

      But I think if I am a kind of person who also needs in-person collaboration a lot, then I need to select my co-founders around that (or at least one co-founder). If he is not such a person, he might just be not a good fit for me - no matter how high is output is.

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    I'm not aware of your Business or Personal situations. These are just my thoughts but I see 3 problems in your post.

    1. Lack of Effort(in work)
    2. Lack of Seriousness(about work)
    3. Lack of communication(personal)

    Regarding the first one, Effort: People usually don't tend to work enthusiastically unless they see an immediate benefit in the short term. So, It would be good to track things and celebrate minor victories. Sometimes comparison works to motivate. But you should first verify if the person is actually capable of dedicating himself to work with passion. Does he have the drive towards your business? What's stopping him from putting in extra work?

    Regarding the second one, Seriousness: There's not much you can do here. People usually prefer regretting later than working now. you should educate him about the opportunities in Business. And how you're in the sweet spot to claim it and stuff like that. You shouldn't do this personally but as a group to motivate the whole company occasionally maybe once a couple of months.

    Regarding the third one, Communication: Some people are not just good at communication. Like how he just trashed your concerns. It happens that not everyone goes through a communication masterclass or how to run a business. I would recommend being more forthcoming and clearly saying what you want to say albeit politely. Some people are just rude but they don't mean anything bad, usually.

    Unfortunately, when it comes to people management there's no clear way of addressing it. You should just strive for it in a way you perceive would be the best for the team. If all else fails you should just let the person/business go. Communication between co-founders is of utmost importance in a business.

    I think having a Log/weekly stream of what your team/ teams have achieved in minor sprints be accessible to everyone and asking everyone to update it would be a good thing in small businesses. As it shows how much effort other people/teams are putting in and motivates others. This could have an adverse effect on people being demotivated if they are cynical. Ultimately, you have to make your choice.

    Let me know if this helps/not.

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      Hi @owlmaniac, thanks a lot for your long comment!

      Effort: Yeah, I also wonder if the person really has the drive. Small victories and tracking output - I like that. But I think as the first step our basic working conditions need to fit together.

      First step => He needs to agree to an in-person working style
      Second step => We will define weekly deliverables for each co-founder and measure if people are actually putting in the work.

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        True! remote work and stuff are usually unhealthy for a fast-paced startup. Weekly deliverables sound good. I hope you get a good outcome (or a reality check) :)

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    Firstly face him. Talk about it and set common sense rules. Team work isn't easy but it is worth it

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    I'm inquisitive, what kind of impact do you think the co-founder will bring in, and how difficult would it be for you to wear multiple hats?

    It's good that you guys have started recently, consider the scenario where after building the product, the co-founder drops due to low initial traction.

    Perhaps as a technical co-founder, relying on non-tech is largely not necessary, since even if the non-tech finds out the actual problems by user research, you also would need to provide and understand the research, which boils down to eliminating the actual need itself.

    So I would suggest, better you get the understanding of relationship early on, and take decisive ways accordingly.

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      I also think it's good to face issues as fast as possible, while the potential co-founders didn't put in "that much" work yet. I was hesitating with decisive actions, because every co-founder who leaves will setback the timeline for the project, and I hate that. But sometimes it is unavoidable, I guess.

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      This looks ChatGPT generated? Have a nice day, whatever the case

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