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My failure to build a school for entrepreneurs

Over the past two years I've been trying to build a school for solopreneurs.

More the equivalent of a Boxing/MMA gym in the sense that you've got weekly sessions where you learn something and then go implement/train during that session.

I've been experimenting a lot with students to remove as much risk as possible for them before settling on helping them productize their expertise and find customers for it.

It's mostly been a failure.

Here's that story & what I've learned so far from the experience.

I got lucky with my first company.

It wasn't that I got lucky in the sense that you're sitting on the couch, someone rings the doorbell, and hands you a check for millions of dollars.

But, I was one of those survivorship bias kids.

I was at the right time at the right place and everything just worked out.

I always stressed how lucky I was but it's not possible to understand just how lucky you are until you see the other side.

One example is Google Ads. I was extremely early with Google Ads (luck). Just heard someone talking about it and decided to hire an agency to handle it for me (more luck). The fact that I made that decision was great for two reasons:

i. I had enough money by then to be able to take advantage of that opportunity.

ii. Because I outsourced it, I had people working on it full-time. Had I tried to do it myself, I wouldn't have been consistent.

Cool... why is this relevant?

Because after my first company, I had a string of failures despite knowing 10x more.

Eventually, I did hit it big again (advising firms based on evidence-based entrepreneurial science aka translating scientific literature into ELI-5) which allowed me to fund my real passion.

You see, for years, during my string of failures, I wished there was the equivalent of an MMA gym for solopreneurs. A place you can go to: to learn techniques, implement them during each session, and train with others.

I couldn't find it so I decided to build it.

After investing substantial resources, it's largely been a failure.

I've put about 90 students through the program, 11 of which are in the latest version.

The service is profitable if I don't factor in my time. If I do, it's a joke.

Here's everything I've learned thus far:

Prospecting

When it comes to prospecting there are a few buckets people fall into:

- Cynics

One type of person believes all forms of entrepreneurial education is a scam. That might be a good heuristic (debatable) but it's a heuristic nonetheless.

Meaning, it's a mental shortcut that gives a reasonable result while spending very little cognitive effort. Heuristics are not designed to absolve you from thinking. This group of people has a "guilty until proven innocent" attitude or a "guilty full stop". In the latter case, nothing you say/do will change their mind.

Fortunately, it's rarer than you'd think. In my experience, maybe 1 out of every 1000 people is like this.

It does seem like, in the entrepreneurship space, people tend to be more cynical. In comedy, everyone who has the balls to get on stage gets respect. But in entrepreneurship communities, there's a lot of hating going on by armchair entrepreneurs as well as delighting in others' failure.

I think this has more to do with the cultural norms & incentives of the environment (Reddit, Twitter, etc.) than the actual community cuz when you look at places like Indiehackers that have better moderation, there's much more of a culture of support and lifting each other up.

- Choosing beggars

Another type of person claims they really struggle with solopreneurship but then balks at having to pay for help. This is probably the most common. For some reason, paying for help carries a huge stigma in entrepreneurship. I don't why because we do it with mathematics, medicine, fighting, learning how to play the guitar, and so on.

It is sad though because these people don't factor in the opportunity cost of fucking around for a few more years / giving up altogether.

Also, if you buy a chair that's $500 as a consumer, that's expensive. But if you buy it as a business, it can be a bargain. If you sit on your ass all day and that chair allows you to work longer, comfortably, and without your usual back pain, you'll earn that thing back in 7 seconds.

Many folks in this category don't understand ROI. They're fixated on cost.

- Formula seekers

Lastly, there's a group that wants a formula. They want someone to tell them EXACTLY what to do as if they're in school. You'd wonder why such people want to be solopreneurs in the first place if they're that uncomfortable with uncertainty.

But a formula, of course, can never work. If everyone does the same thing, the customer has no reason to pick you. That means the only way to differentiate yourself is to be cheaper. But everyone else also comes to that conclusion which means the price settles to the lowest possible point where companies have razor-thin margins and the slightest unforeseen setback means they go out of business.

In technical terms: You get a Game Theoretical payoff matrix that pushes the players into a Nash equilibrium (the optimal point for each player provided the others don't change their strategy). When everyone does that, the Nash equilibrium is lower than the Pareto Efficient point (the optimal strategy for everyone). You're already familiar with this in terms of the Prisoners' Dilemma. This results in a consumer surplus (consumers would pay more for the product but they don't have to). That's good for consumers but bad for entrepreneurs. Lastly, the smaller your margins are, the more fragile your company is. A small perturbation/stressor collapses it. But, since there are many other 'players' waiting to take your place, it doesn't make a difference to the consumer for whom you were fungible to begin with.

Customers

Out of the set of people that become customers, unfortunately, most just aren't that serious.

That really surprised me because at one point the program was $4K so I expected people would take it incredibly seriously having made a serious investment. I only now realize how naive/dumb that was. Most of us paid tens if not hundreds of thousands for our education and we all know that the majority of our classmates weren't that serious either.

I think my program is one the best ones on the market, simply because I care so much. There's not much I won't do for my students. But I've learned that in many cases I care significantly more about my student's success than they do.

During the qualification process, everyone talks a good game about how hard they're going to work.

Then when their cohort starts, they skip training sessions, they don't implement the homework, they don't take advantage of their lifetime membership, and about half don't book their complimentary 1-1 with me which regular clients pay $300 for.

People are quick to demonize gyms because their business model relies on people paying and not showing up.

But I've seen the other side. I've tried very hard to get people to take advantage of everything they've paid for but it seems that many people don't really want to do the work. They want to pay, which makes them feel good, and that then \feels\ like progress.

Scammers

My value proposition is quite unattractive. It's essentially "do the hard work and you'll get a 6-pack." Scammers' proposition is: "Do zero work and get a 6-pack overnight with this one simple trick."

I used to hate scammers and I still do.

But I've also learned that there's a certain type of person that seeks it out. It's why Tim Ferris called his book "The Four Hour Work Week: Escape 9–5, Live Anywhere, and Join the New Rich".

Some of my students (who weren't willing to do the work) went on to buy products from people like that. I got limited sympathy for those that got scammed because they were looking for too good to be true shortcuts out of laziness.

Successful students

The ones who were willing to do the work pretty much all found success although not always on their timeline because of the messiness of solopreneurship.

The common theme I'd say was:

Picking an audience to serve instead of a product they wanna launch onto the market.

Letting the problems they solve emerge from that marketplace.

Picking wealthy customers instead of brokies. (Another downside of this product for me is that I'm working with people who're typically broke vs. my consulting work where I'm working with firms with deep pockets.)

Showing up consistently to do the work. Creating helpful content for their audience, pitching warm and cold leads, refining and testing their positioning and pricing, etc.

Basically just having their shit together and not giving up.

Plans for the future

I make around 100-200K/yr doing consulting so I don't need this to be financially successful. The students that did the work have benefited tremendously and knowing that my program has helped make their journey easier is something I wouldn't have traded for anything.
I don't plan on killing the program but I do think I'll dial back the time investment.

If you liked this, I write a Monday to Friday Newsletter where I give tips and examples about marketing for solopreneurs.

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Building in Public
on March 26, 2023
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    Amazing post!
    I do have a few questions for you:

    1. Have you thought about a pre-selection process? (sounds depressing not to be opened to everyone... but at the same time this could filter-out some of the lazy profiles)

    2. What is the success rate of an MMA gym in terms of producing competitors? and how many years does it take? (maybe your success-rate is aligned with theirs)

    3. Could you get some inspiration from MMA/Boxing gyms that they use to motivate their promising-but-lazy talents?

    Thanks again for taking the time to write your amazing journey, so much to unpack in your post, I will have to read it again and take notes I guess :)

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      I was thinking the same about the pre selection process, I've seen a lot of online courses try this tactic and seems to have proven well for them. Some of them keep the process entirely similar to a college entry process which involves - preliminary test (this could involve a little assignment) and a thorough interview process. Of course not everyone would work hard but at least you'd get an idea about those people who are willing to put in the work.

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        Yeah, I'm gonna seriously think about this. Thanks fellas, appreciate y'all.

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      First off, let me say thank you to you and many of the other people here. This community is one of the most positive & supportive ones there is.

      1. I have tried a few different tactics but I haven't explored them all. What I've tried so far has constrained my top of funnel so I haven't had the volume yet to be really picky.

      2. Roughly 100% if we define success as being able to "beat" the average Joe on the street and the MMA students show up and do the work consistently. My own success rate defined as revenue > MVC amount is also near 100%. Solopreneurship is messy and a bit of a slog, but it's quite doable. It just takes a while. The students who're willing to do the work over a long enough period of time all seem to get there eventually.

      3. As far as I can tell, they "don't care more than the student." I.e. if the student isn't serious, they focus their attention on the ones that are. So perhaps that's the lesson here for me as well. Stop trying to want it more than the student themself wants it.

      I appreciate you taking the time to write your generous comment and I'll continue to let it marinate.

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    This is a super post! Thanks

    I am curious to understand how your programme differs to the many incubator programmes. I see on LP it says 30day boot camp.

    There are many incubator programmes for indie hackers, and in particular in the circular economy space. Ycombinator succeeded so it is possible.

    Am curious as have coached SMEs for yonks, and now for the business transformational towards a circular economy. Many are indies. ReLondon is the most public transformational programme for entrepreneurs in this space.

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      Aw! Thanks :)

      That's a good question.

      This program is orthogonal to an incubator. It's better to think of it like a boxing or MMA gym.

      Here's why:

      In two words: incentive structure.

      For incubators/accelerators to make sense, they need 10x (or ideally a 100x) return.

      The distribution of successes follows a power law. If you look at YC for example, Airbnb, Dropbox, and Stripe make up the bulk of the returns. Those outliers fund all the "losers".

      This incentive structure pushes incubators and VCs to push all founders off a cliff. As long as one of them flies, they're happy. It doesn't matter which one because they got a stake in all of them.

      In fact, many VCs would rather let you die than let you accept a life-changing acquisition offer if it generates like 4x for them.

      It makes sense from the POV of the LPs as well. They allocate a percentage of their portfolio to the risky VC industry. If that doesn't generate outsized returns they might as well have used a safer investment vehicle.

      So all of this combined creates an environment that's good for truly world-changing products (like openAI) but it's bad if you're building a simple app thingy.

      You'd be shocked how many great businesses are killed that way. VCs give them rocket fuel and it blows up what would have been a perfectly fine business. According to Andrew Mason himself, Groupon was an example of that.

      But it does matter to the founders! Because if it's your neighbor instead of you, you get your face bashed in at the bottom of the cliff.

      The incentive structure I have is to optimize for the number of successes in my cohort.

      I define success as the number of solopreneurs that are able to make a living and that is defined as hitting the Minimum Viable Company amount.

      MVC amount = 2x the amount of money you need if you downsize your house and live super ghetto. (2x so you can leave 50% in the business for bills and growth.)

      So this means my incentive structure is drastically different.

      Instead of saying fuck that student if they're not looking promising, I want to help them succeed (under my definition of success).

      So when it comes to solopreneurship, that model doesn't make sense. You want the incentive "vectors" for them and for you, to be pointing in the same direction.

      Edit: You can actually make a decent case for why the majority of the industry is one big Ponzi scheme. VCs showing paper returns to raise a bigger fund because they get a massive salary in terms of a % of their assets under management (that gets divided over like 5 partners). Regardless of outcomes! Chamath talked about that once.

      Edit edit: Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVVsdlHslfI&themeRefresh=1

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        agreed. drastically different.

        You can actually make a decent case for why the majority of the industry is one big Ponzi scheme

        I have felt that for a long time. But typically am alone in my thinking style.
        All very Interesting. Thankyou for link and for explicit explanation.

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          You're welcome. If you got something out of this, you might enjoy my newsletter where I talk about topics like this in more detail.

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            thanks. not into newsletters but i read the great reviews about your newsletter.
            I do love gpt4 though.. generative dialogue and it is distraction free. fluff free.

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            one last question: is your zeal born from a personal experience with VC or thru your observation to others?

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    amazing information thanks

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      Thanks for reading :)

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    I have a solution for your problem.

    The reason why people are not serious is because many don't have well defined goals and don't see any short term incentives.

    Increase your fee and then create a incentive to get back some money of what they have paid.

    Make your program fee $6000 and the create 4 opportunities in the program that gives $500 back to them per opportunity.

    Next, based on the number of students you get in a cohort. Create a cash prize bonus of say $2000 limited to only 2 students in a cohort. This creates a kind of gamification

    Make sure you give this money publicly in the class. This creates recognition. This also

    I believe this kind of arrangement will satisfy 2-3 basis human needs

    • Recognition
    • Urge to get money back
    • To Be the winner in cohort
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      Fascinating!

      I like the high fee with the opportunity to win a portion of it back. The trouble is that my cohorts tend to be on the small side. At most 8 people and at worst 0 (there was no March cohort for example.)

      I'm not as big of a fan of the cash prize though because there's research that shows that that can hurt intrinsic motivation.

      I want them to become craftsmen. Show up, put in the work, rinse, repeat. For years on end.

      That kind of gamification seems more short-term to me and doesn't really align with my values and I'm also kinda worried it might backfire and discourage people that don't win.

      That said, I'm not discounting your ideas and will give them some serious thought.

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        By the way, what exactly do you teach and how much do you charge. Can you please send more info to [email protected].

        I am a Solo entrepreneur myself. I am interested to upgrade

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          Hey buddy, I've just emailed you.

          Here's the lander page for more info: https://younglingresearch.gumroad.com/l/yrcbootcamp

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    Thank you for sharing this great post and journey!

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      Thanks for reading buddy

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    It matches my own experience as a business coach. Most people are just lazy and expect you to make them successful overnight! And then some have a very bad idea and think they will kill it with BS. Sad but true. I tried several different approaches to this, but I always found repeatedly that my time invested in 1:1 does not match the output of the students or the money that comes from it.

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      Yeah same. It's a bummer because I feel like this program should exist. But maybe there's just not enough people like us out there... Or I just haven't figured out how to reach them cost-effectively, yet.

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    I appreciate your vulnerability in sharing this story. Failure is not easy, but it's important to learn from our mistakes and move forward. Keep pushing forward with your entrepreneurial endeavors!

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      I appreciate you homie

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    Hi! I was also same as you "lucky" with my first business, and after I sold it, I experienced "the other side". If you tend to do stuff that doesn't work now, try the approach of interviewing businesses for pain points and then pre-selling something prior to building it. That's what I did and things finally start to work for me again. Regarding your school for Entrepreneurs: I am in something that is very similar to what you describe. It's a pre-incubator. Now I have also applied for the incubator. The program is funded by the state and neighboring universities. They simply have the mission to create more Entrepreneurs in our area!

    If you're positive that you can help people be successful, try taking just a setup fee and other than that a percentage of the money they will be making in their first years as an Entrepreneur. Tell them, if you actually make your first revenue within the first 6-12 months, I'll give you the setup fee back. People will be way more focused and put in the hard work.

    If you like my ideas you can contact me. Would love to further help out with the project.

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      Hey buddy

      Yeah sounds good, let's talk.

      I'll shoot you a DM on twitter

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    Thanks for sharing! Glad you are successful as a consultant.
    Can you give an example of how a lesson of your school could look like?

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      I can do you one better. If you scroll down on the landing page, there's a complimentary session, one of the last ones of a cohort, and it recaps the entire methodology for the students in that cohort. You'll get a lot out of it if you implement the methodology.

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    Wow, this was an incredibly insightful and honest account of your journey. Thanks for sharing your experiences and learnings with us. It's definitely a valuable read for aspiring solopreneurs and those in the entrepreneurial space.

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      Super kind G. I appreciate it.

  11. 1

    Excellent read. Thank you for sharing this.

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      Thanks for taking the time to read it buddy.

  12. 1

    Have you heard of buildspace?

    They started as an online kids school, moved to school for hackers and builders doing tutorials, then builder school - https://twitter.com/FarzaTV/status/1636060685003284490

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      I haven't! Will check them out. Thanks Josh.

      Edit: Had a look but seems like they're yc/a16z backed. I'll see what I can learn from them but sometimes it's tricky cuz they can do stuff I can't as a bootstrapper.

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        I would look at the timeline of when they got funding.

        And then maybe apply to YC yourself? :) Good luck!

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