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Need some B2B sales advice for the tech recruiting industry

UPDATE: the landing page is live and here: https://www.hire-ops.com/

"live" -> the call to action button is not even wired up yet :)

I'm working on a productized service in the tech recruiting space.

Being an engineer myself, I've experienced first hand how bad this industry can suck (the spam, the cheesy emails, the sycophancy, the same old tired solicitation techniques, etc.).

I've had recruiters introduce me to companies that were an extremely bad fit and gone on to do interviews that were just a waste of everyone's time.

And yet the margins for this kind of business could be pretty good with an industry average $15k per placement.

I'm experimenting with a process that hopefully will yield much better results - ensuring better soft skills / tech skills / values matches for candidates and companies.

I plan to offer this service/process at the same industry rate (maybe a different pricing scheme to account for upfront work) to companies, but ideally it'll be a 10x better experience for them.

My biggest challenge and thing I personally have the least experience with is selling B2B services, specifically recruiting services.

I'm thinking that my next step is figuring out what companies are currently using existing recruiting agencies, and reaching out to them. I haven't thought of a good and systematic way to figure that out (short of bribing employees to reveal confidential information - which I'm not ok with).

Thought I'd post my challenge here and see if any of you had any thoughts :)

I'm also potentially interested in partnering up somehow with someone who's well connected with growing tech companies or has experience selling similar kinds of B2B services. PM me if curious :)

Landing page with more details coming soon (this week).

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    Definitely going to need more info on your product but I am intrigued. I've been in the tech recruiting industry as well as have many years (10+) in b2b sales. Would love to chat with you once I can clearly see what value your software or service brings to the industry. I still have many colleagues in the tech recruiting industry and they're struggling due to apps such as Zip Recruiter, Indeed and Dice (dedicated to tech talent). If you can carve out a niche, maybe I can help put together a biz dev or go-to-market strategy.

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      Ah sorry for the confusion, I'm not building a tool for the recruiting industry - just adding my hat to the mix! Ha.

      :)

      Just updated the original post to include the link for more deets!

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    ...and reaching out to them. I haven't thought of a good and systematic way to figure that out

    Have you simply tried sending an email as a conversation starter to all of these companies?

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      figuring out what companies are currently using existing recruiting agencies

      This is what I'm struggling to figure out. I have a pretty good idea of a outreach sequence and yes, it does sometimes start with a cold email :)

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        Sorry, I'm not following you.

        Are you saying that what your struggling to figure out is "what companies are currently using existing recruiting agencies"?

        If so, that's exactly what I was referring to with my original comment.

        You can figure out what companies are currently using existing recruiting agencies by...

        ...getting a big list of targeted company emails and cold emailing them with a simple conversation starter :)

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          Ah yes, that makes sense :)

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    Hi there,

    Congrats on the decision to work on this problem - it's definitely a toughie.

    A few indie hackers are working in the same space. For example the excellent @lynnetye with [keyvalues.com] (https://www.keyvalues.com).

    Here are some thoughts based on your post:

    Being an engineer myself, I've experienced first hand how bad this industry can suck (the spam, the cheesy emails, the sycophancy, the same old tired solicitation techniques, etc.).

    Ok, so you have a good idea of the difficulties/problems for your side of the market. How about the side that pays?

    I've had recruiters introduce me to companies that were an extremely bad fit and gone on to do interviews that were just a waste of everyone's time.

    Why?

    (really understanding that will be key to creating value IMO)

    I'm experimenting with a process that hopefully will yield much better results - ensuring better soft skills / tech skills / values matches for candidates and companies.

    Sounds great - but way too vague. Better results for whom? Candidates? Employers? Recruiters?

    If employers, all employers? Or specific niches of employers like startups?

    And what does better results mean? Faster? Cheaper? Longer retention?

    IMO you'd do well to focus down to solving one of those problems really well for one customer niche. Sales will be hard otherwise.

    My biggest challenge and thing I personally have the least experience with is selling B2B services, specifically recruiting services.

    Then maybe don't sell in the traditional sense of selling (prescriptively). Have a conversation. Position yourself as someone who has a shared interest with the employer and wants to learn from their experience. Most people like to be listened to, especially when you call them an expert.

    I'm thinking that my next step is figuring out what companies are currently using existing recruiting agencies, and reaching out to them. I haven't thought of a good and systematic way to figure that out (short of bribing employees to reveal confidential information - which I'm not ok with).

    Well I don't think you really need to worry about this step yet as you haven't found a tangible problem to solve yet. But one way to go about it would be to advertise several (fake) positions and, when recruiting agencies reach out to you to fill the role, just ask for a few references from each agency (ie companies they work with).

    I'm also potentially interested in partnering up somehow with someone who's well connected with growing tech companies or has experience selling similar kinds of B2B services. PM me if curious :)

    If I were you I wouldn't do this just yet. To build a useful product you need to spend a lot of time with your ideal customers. Skipping that step is like hiring someone to carry you around instead of learning to walk. At some point, you'll be too heavy to carry around and you still won't have learnt to walk, so you'll be back to square one.

    Good luck!

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      Hi Louis,

      Thanks for the pointers. I know my post was a bit vague - a lot of the specifics (whys and whats) are ironed out in the landing page. I'll share that soon :)

      But one way to go about it would be to advertise several (fake) positions and, when recruiting agencies reach out to you to fill the role, just ask for a few references from each agency (ie companies they work with).

      That's an interesting strategy. I'm not crazy about the trickery involved but this gives me another similar idea. Thanks!

      If I were you I wouldn't do this just yet. To build a useful product you need to spend a lot of time with your ideal customers.

      To clarify about the partnership thing, I'm just looking for someone to make introductions, not necessarily close sales or do customer development!

      A few indie hackers are working in the same space. For example the excellent @lynnetye with [keyvalues.com] (https://www.keyvalues.com).

      I'm going to reach out to @lynnetye, I'd love to get her take on some of this :)

      Cheers!

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        That's an interesting strategy. I'm not crazy about the trickery involved but this gives me another similar idea. Thanks!

        That's how they operate. A taste of their own medicine serves them right ;)

        To clarify about the partnership thing, I'm just looking for someone to make introductions, not necessarily close sales or do customer development!

        Fair enough. I'm sure you should know a few developers/founders within your own professional network who can point you in the right direction, no?

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          Just posted the link to the landing page. Copy definitely needs more work but it's 4:30am and I launched and I'm done for the night :)