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On Building & Growing a Document Automation SaaS to $2k+/MRR

This week I'm interviewing Jacob from Paperless.io, a document automation SaaS that's currently making over $2k/MRR. He shared an awesome process of how they've used LinkedIn + email automation to get their early users. Let's get started!

Hello! What's your background, and what are you working on?

Hey, I’m Jacob - I’m one of the co-founders at Paperless.io, a document automation tool designed for small teams allowing you to create, manage, send sign & archive intelligent documents and contracts in one place. Prior to joining Paperless.io, I started my own social media automation agency, Postingheld.de, which I still run today.

What motivated you to get started?

Documents and contracts are the basis of any business. Especially in Germany. This is a huge market with the smaller business segment being undeserved. We found out that over 87% of businesses still use paper-heavy manual processes or PDFs as compared to digital tools.

Existing solutions like DocuSign & Co are focused on going upmarket and are too complex, while our solution is keeping it simple, focusing on a great user experience, speed & simplicity.

So back to our story and motivation why we got started.

Back in 2020, at our previous startup (Mankido.de), we spent hours preparing proposals, collaborating on contracts, and chasing paperwork from our clients, staff and external partners. This is time wasted you can never gain back.

Frustrated and annoyed with the mess of legacy systems, paper, and PDFs struck together with eSignatures, we decided to do something about it.

Today, while we theoretically haven’t officially launched, hundreds of early access users and businesses are already using Paperless.io to work smarter, onboard new hires easier, close deals faster, and much, much more.

What went into building the initial product?

Initially, we built the solution to scratch our own itch at Mankido.de and in practice, we were our first customer. We used (and still do use) our own API to integrate Paperless.io into our CRM and existing applications and it’s such a game-changer for our own organization.

Only when some of our clients complimented us on the great experience signing digital documents (no PDFs) on their mobile, we thought about the opportunity to take this to market, and later in 2020, we finally did.

How have you attracted users and grown Paperless?

Our first channel was cold email outreach. We created a pretty incredible process of finding leads on LinkedIn, enriching data via a personal assistant and then personalizing outreach at scale. We had opening rates of up to 80%, reply rates of ~40-45% and this was just crazy. We also tested various industries and verticals to see where we could find the biggest traction.

In more detail:

We were using the LinkedIn Sales Navigator to build solid lists of interesting contacts. Trying different batches of leads (company size and industry) helped us come up with around 30 different target groups we were contacting.

Through Phantombuster we were exporting those contacts into an Excel File. Our personal assistant later searched for the email addresses with different tools such as Hunter.io Rocketreach, Leadleaper, Name2email, SalesQl, Signal Hire, Snovio and Clearbit.

The final Leads + email addresses were exported to a sales automation tool named Klenty.com. WIth simple A/B/C Tests we were steadily finding out which headlines and what content prompts leads to answer our emails. Four simple rules helped us achieve those crazy high numbers:

KISS - Keep it simple and stupid.
Nail the tone - Don’t smell like a salesman or marketeer
Simple yes/no CTA
Follow-Up x3

Depending on the answer and considering the Self-SignUp was not yet ready we were pushing hard for a 30 min call to generate insights and create a need/urgency. In the call, it was all about asking the right questions, but that’s worth another story :)

Initially, we let our early access users into our platform in exchange for feedback. Some of them converted to paid customers and we’re still heavily focused on interviewing and speaking with these early adopters to really nail our positioning, find product-market-fit and determine our best customers worth focusing on.

What's your business model, and how have you grown your revenue?

As a SaaS, we charge €19 - 24 per month, per user for our business plan which includes all of our features as well as unlimited documents & unlimited templates. We’ll be pursuing a Product-Led go-to-market strategy and offer a 30-days free trial during which users can get to know the product and experience the value.

What are your goals for the future?

APIs, integrations & automation is what our customers want, so we will heavily focus on allowing users to integrate Paperless.io into any workflow or business process. For example, we see that sales teams start their processes for document signing not in Paperless.io, but in their CRM. HR people, on the other hand, use HR software. So it makes total sense for us to build integrations and offer a developer-friendly, well-documented API for anyone to use.

If you had to start over, what would you do differently?

We’d probably focus on niching down even further and really investing time into customer research and development. This part of any go-to-market strategy is absolutely essential. It’s about really understanding undeserved needs and solving their pain. Build an Aspirin (painkiller), not a Vitamin (supplement) is what they say and I totally agree with this.

Have you found anything particularly helpful or advantageous?

Speaking with customers and understanding their Jobs to Be Done has been the most helpful and advantageous thing we’ve started doing.

Where can we go to learn more?

You can connect with me at any time either here on Indie Hackers or via LinkedIn. And then, if you want to learn more about Paperless, you can go here.

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on December 17, 2021
  1. 1

    Would be really cool to see how the outreach your cold emails looked?

    I was just plotting out in my mind of doing cold outreach for my SaaS. I didn't know how much personalization to include.

  2. 1

    Knowing the guys (Jan and Sebi) from Mankido time, I'm really pumped to see how this one goes. God speed! 🚀

  3. 1

    Interesting.
    Question regarding linkedIn Sales Nav.: Which plan did you find most useful?

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      @OlaShawky Hi! I'm on the Sales Navigator Pro Plan (yearly) - not the cheapest software to buy, but makes sense if outreach is an integral part of your strategy.

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    Wow, that was an amazing story.

    I'm really interested in knowing more about the sales call.

    Did you have a script? What was the most common objection? What did you do to not sound like a saleman or a marketer?

    In the sales call did you tell them that you had a 30 day free trial?

    So happy to hear that your efforts were fruitful.

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      @MarketthatSaas There is so much to say about, which makes it hard to answer. The main idea in our calls was leading with value and identifying where we can add value. There is a quote in the sales world: "Client doesn't need a drill, client needs wholes." With that in mind we try not to feature sell, but be consultative and value driven.

      A while ago I've answered a similar question on how to deliver a great pitch: Give a quick intro on who you are and why you decided to build the business (being passionate gives you extra credits). This way your clients and investors know who they are listening to. After the intro come straight to the point - explain why people approach you and ask you to solve their challenges (very important to phrase it that way, as it gives social proof). In the last part of the pitch outline what working together with you looks like. Here again focus on eliminating risks, answer questions and stay convinced you are a solid partner to make your clients and investors decision a decision they won't regret.

      Hope that helps, Dude!

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        @JacobEngels thanks for the info.

        Take care.

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    Hi Jacob, congrats on your paperless.io and on this interview! I'll pick two things for me :-) (1) research research research and (2) build an aspirin, not a vitamin.
    LGs Stefan

  6. 1

    Thanks great article 🙏

    1. 1

      Thanks @yaroslawbagriy Hope some info was useful!

  7. 1

    Excellent ! Thumbs up

    1. 1

      Thank you @gator70. Do you have a key takeaway?

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    Did you do the video demo of your product yourself? what software did you use? it's looking really good

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      @mikal, responding on behalf of Jacob as I work with him on the same team. The product animation team have been done by our in-house designer, Felix, who is incredibly talented. It took us around 22 hours to do these, but they're working really well in terms of giving users a perspective of how the product works.

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    You mentioned you tested several industries to find what works best. Which industries worked best, was it industries with a high average-order-value like doctors, lawyers, real estate agents, etc.?

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    Pretty fascinating how many SaaS tools got started inside an agency & another startup where the founders faced some problems there. Was this the same case for Mankido?

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      @nelson54031 yep, we built this initially just for Mankido as the manual processes took us hours and existing solutions allowed for eSignatures, but completely neglected the document creation, the collaboration & the all-in-one element.

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    Hey Jacob, are you still doing cold outreach? Or have you started focusing more on inbound channels?

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      @jamesjamesz answering on behalf of Jacob as we both work on the same team. We're still doing 80% cold outreach but have started to activate our PR channels, primarily SEO via guest posting, HARO outreach & podcasts. When you don't have your own audience and 100% PMF, these channels can work great and eventually, you have to use these anyway.

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    Hey Jacob. Wow, a really interesting interview. Curious what were the most requested integrations for Paperless.io?

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      @dare0505 on behalf of my colleague Jacob: The most requested integrations are CRM systems for our sales persona, like Salesforce & PipeDrive. Then, we have customers who request using our API, primarily Enterprise clients, and we also have HR professionals who want integrations with Personio & Co.

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