Course Creators August 13, 2020

Show me VS teach me

Zencentric

This short post is in addition to the previous one about long term relationship between tutors and students https://www.indiehackers.com/post/would-somebody-be-willing-to-provide-long-term-real-teaching-6e7a6bd8dd

I have a feeling I cracked finally what's going on. There are 2 types of tutors/courses:

  1. Ones that showing students something like marketing tips and tricks
  2. Ones that teaching students something like art, design, or programming language.

In the first case, all you need are videos/text and some way to show them. But in the second case, it's not as easy. You need to really teach students what means interacting with them, giving feedback, checking homework, answering questions.

I also checked Circles mentioned in the comments in the primary post. I found the community platform quite interesting but it's still hard to integrate into the learning process.

Any thoughts?

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    @Zencentric First of all, super interesting questions.

    I think bucketing courses by the skills that learners are looking to acquire is maybe more what you're trying to capture.

    Ones that showing students something like marketing tips and tricks
    Ones that teaching students something like art, design, or programming language.

    Skills in the first category are tools or tactics. Skills in the second category are more conceptual. I agree with you that the approach to teaching each type of skill might look different (how much video/text to include, how much interaction, grading).

    But the most important factor that should influence how you teach is the target student. Where are students starting from, what do they already know, and what outcomes do they want to achieve? Then you design the most effective instructional environment for them to reach the outcomes.

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      My point is people much more concerned about making money than really teaching something :(
      But thanks for your response.

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    building a course is much less about the tooling and more about the relationship, as you're focusing on.

    but, i also think that that relationship is really special and unique... and there isn't a one-size fits all.

    love that you're talking about this stuff!

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      building a course is much less about the tooling and more about the relationship, as you're focusing on.

      Hmmm... in practice, I see the opposite - people create courses and don't focus on any relationship, especially if the course is popular and especially taking into account there are no tools for establishing relationships.

      Agree, they may be unique, but in practice, nothing is unique. For example, students want feedback and help - nothing special.

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        there are many ways to support, educate, and lead people... that, i can agree with. thanks for illuminating another method. 👍🏻

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    Hey @Zencentric I love learning alone, but maybe I'm an outlier :)

    With my students, I emphasize the importance of project-based learning. I've got 10k+ students, but only about 1 in 9 forks the example code. I think those are the ones who are getting by far the most value. I taught myself to code through progressively harder projects, it really works. Having said that, I deliberately sought out mentors along the way (going to meetups, paying people to review my code).

    I also think that you still get quite a bit of value if you do just part of an online course, so I don't think the much touted poor-completion rates are as big a deal as some people make out. What is a big waste are courses that are bought but never watched.

    I've been interested to see what brilliant.org are up to.

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      Hey, thanks for your opinion.

      I love to learn alone too :)

      The problem is there are some areas where it's quite difficult. For example, you can learn design alone but you should admit unless you have a tutor to show you mistakes you will not develop real progress.

      Thanks for pointing at brilliant, I have never heard about it.

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      So, what's is more effective for you - to see how others build or build yourself?

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