I'm thinking about leaving SF and going nomadic when my lease ends next April.
Who's living as a digital nomad while being an indie hacker? Where are you located, and what are some of your best tips for making it work?
(cc @dinkydani @philipithomas @tylertringas @sarah)
My main tips are:
try stay in places for a while. We stayed in places for a month at a time at least. This let me get into a bit of a routine.
online listings on booking.com and aribnb can be super inaccurate. Try book places that let you cancel early or stay somewhere for a day or two initially and walk around to physically view places for longer term stays. There would literally be two places minutes from each other with similar reviews - one being a hell hole and the other being pretty great.
This last tip might not be for everyone, but I recommend coming to terms with doing less work. I was fairly productive while travelling, but not as productive as when in London. This felt weird at first, but I figured I wouldn’t be travelling forever so I shouldn’t feel guilty about spending time exploring and what not. What’s the point otherwise?
Co-working spaces and meet ups are also great for meeting people
My top tip is don't mess up your wrists like I did 3-4 years ago! I deeply, deeply regret it.
Laptops are generally horrible for ergonomics, but you can greatly mitigate the problems of long hours on them by doing the following:
Good advice! I already messed up my wrists badly a few years ago and thought my coding career was over until I was able to heal them up significantly. Nowadays I almost never use my laptop freestyle, and instead have it propped up on a stand and use an external monitor and keyboard. This is easy to do at home, but thanks for the reminder to do it on the road as well.
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Based on the comments that I have read - a great product Idea can be - Building a small airbnb like community for IndieHackers that are traveling.
Problem : Lack of productive furniture in Airbnbs (like desk, keyboard, chair, nearby we-work? cafes? restaurants?)
Solution : A Curated list of Airbnbs (already vetted by IH community) around the world which solves this problem. This list can be hosted on the IH community.
How : Collaborate with Airbnb hosts that can buy into this argument. Start with one city and then scale.
PS : I am down to collaborating with someone who is interested. Hit me up!
Please write to my email in my profile. Lets make it happen! ;)
Woo this is awesome to hear! Remote work definitely takes some adapting to and requires a different approach/mindset.
There are lots of tech challenges like finding places to work from, getting decent wifi, and buying/fixing tech from different countries. But, there are also personal challenges like feeling lonely and finding a community. @stephsmith wrote a great very long article here about remote work which I recommend if you have time!
My main advice now after nearly 3 years on the road is that it will take time for you to figure out what kind of digital nomad you want to be. Some people stay 6+ months in places, others move every week or so. Being honest with yourself about what you need to be productive in your work and happy in your life is the most important thing.
Our first year was more backpacking with some remote work sprinkled in but recently we have slowed down and started spending 1-2 months in each place. We have found communities of nomads and are starting to forge meaningful friendships. We just arrived in Chiang Mai and have friends here we already know to get coffee/beers with, ask about accommodation/bike rental, and be in the loop for events/meetups - we'd love to meet up when you do this thing and grab a beer!
Chiang Mai and Canggu, Bali are the 2 biggest DN hotspots. They're a great place to start and get to know people and figure out your DN style. Then you can go other places. We just spent 2 months in Bali, planning 1-2 months in CM, and then maybe Sri Lanka for a vacation/less work-ish month before I imagine we'll go back to Bali!
This turned into a bit of an essay, sorry! More practical tips...
There's so much more hands on advice I can give about visas processes, finding cheap flights, riding a scooter etc but I don't want to overwhelm you at this stage!
Feel free to send me a message about literally ANYTHING no matter how stupid it sounds because I've been doing this a while and I will have been there asking the same question to someone else at some point! Also I wrote a series about our nomad life and journey to get there if you'd like to read them start here
IT'S AWESOME YOU SHOULD DO IT!
Totally agree with Danielle about being honest with yourself! Many new nomads ("noobmads" :D) are understandably excited, but don't really take the time to reflect on what would make them the happiest. I hopped around like crazy for 1-2 years before realizing it was taking away from my productivity and relationships. Now, I like to move slower and orient towards the DN hotspots like Canggu and Chiang Mai.
But just take the time to see what works best for you! There is no correct way to nomad.
Also, feel free to msg me if you have any questions! I'll be in SF in December at HustleCon which I saw you're speaking at, so if you want to chat over coffee, let me know! :)
Let's get coffee for sure! Feel free to DM me on Twitter or email me (courtland@indiehackers.com), although I'm a bit slow to check/respond to both.
Cool! I'll DM you on Twitter.
This was super helpful, thanks for the essay! It will be a while before I get started for real, but I'll probably take some shorter trips in the meantime, and SE Asia seems like a great place to test the waters.
You're welcome! April will come around quickly 😊
Hey! We get asked this a lot, so we wrote a whole chapter on it in our forthcoming Remote Work Encyclopedia. We're launching it in two weeks:
https://www.producthunt.com/upcoming/remote-work-encyclopedia
Where are you thinking of going? Do you want beaches or cities? Do you want your travels to be breadth-first or depth-first? Do you want to hang out with locals or vacationers? How long do you want to travel? Once I know these, I can give a lot more specific suggestions 👍
P.S. - I'm excited for you! You'll have a ton of fun.
Very cool, didn't know you were working on this!
The answer to your questions is: I have no idea (yet). But I'll find out soon enough, I bet, and then hit you up with more q's.
Here are just a few ideas that might not work for everyone but they have saved me from going insane.
Hi @csallen, I was grown up in Hungary, running a business in Estonia and working from Melbourne more info here ->
https://medium.com/@ironmanthehuman/running-a-paperless-business-99e55ccaf073
I would suggest Bangkok and Chiang Mai as destinations to try out. From my side, I think the most important thing is to stay in one place for at least one month.
PS: I'm not really a nomad, I just tested a few places in the process of relocating.
I am biased here (as my business is in Flex Space), but I think a good first touch-down point in any new location is a coworking space. If the space is any good, they will have attentive and helpful community managers who help with introductions and recommendations. They are also likely to hold regular events which lets you start to get to know people in an informal setting.
Many coworking spaces will offer a one-day membership option so you can get a feel for the space before you commit to a longer plan. Some may also give free one-day passes, although that varies by space.
Hey, This is awesome to hear! I've been a Digital Nomad for almost 2 years right now. I'm originally from Indonesia and really happy to hear a lot of people are having a great experience in Canggu, Bali. Send me a message if you want to have local inside tips for Indonesia!
I travel with my partner, we're currently in Lisbon and will be staying in Amsterdam next week for a month.
Anyway, some of my tips for you based on my experience:
But the great thing is we got millions of inspiration for our product, talk with people with different backgrounds. So happy and have fun!
Find a good bakery when you get to a new city 👌
The best tip I have is find a community to plug into as once you start working remotely alone you can find yourself not talking to humans :)
I arrived in Barcelona and created my own community for productive and social CoWorking Days.
I recommend Canggu, Bali because it has a pretty big community of digital nomads. I'm currently working from Dojo Bali and love it so far, but better find out things yourself because I've been into this whole new lifestyle for only 3 weeks now.
I was changing places every few days in the first 2 weeks and it was exhausting and stressful, not able to do much work. It's better to get to know the places, best place to eat, best place to go massage, best place to have fun etc... and also get into a routine.
Hey there fellow Balian. We may have another Indiehackers meetup Bali in November. You should join!
I spent 3 years nomading (and several more semi-nomading). Been to over 45 countries.
My wife and I settled down permanently last month (expect to burn out fast while traveling!) but I wouldn’t trade the experience for anything.
My tips:
Best of luck, you’ll have a blast.
I did it for a couple of months earlier this year to Hong Kong and Shanghai. What really helped me was signing up for the Amex Platinum. The card has a high annual fee, but it comes with a 1-year WeWork Platinum Global Access! It more than pays for itself for ppl who need to use WeWork regularly in various places. https://www.wework.com/businessplatinum
Where are you planning to go? I'm also thinking of going nomadic for a couple months next year. Curious what co-living brands ppl here recommend.
We like to stay at a place for several months if not longer. Therefore, not really a digital nomad. Originally from Switzerland, lived in SF for two years, then Turkey for 6 months and now in Ireland (in the middle of nowhere on the west coast).
We stay as long as we like it, and then move on. We don't really move for the sake of moving. For me staying shorter term at a place would be too stressful and I couldn't really focus on working so much (and also seems expensive).
So, maybe consider staying longer at places you like. You get to know the culture and places in a more meaningful way, it's cheaper and you can focus on work better :-)
Yesssss, stoked for you!
I could go on and on but then I wouldn't get any work done today. Hope this helps!
Also interested in some tips!
I'm packing my bags again in a few weeks and spending December in London, before escaping the cold European Jan-March in Tel Aviv. Not sure where I'll head from there, but have heard good things about Cape Town...
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remoteyear.com maybe?
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Thanks for the Cape Town tips! I stayed in Sea Point and Oranjezicht last time around and things were great, but like you said, survivorship bias is real. Hard to declare a place safe just because I was fine for two weeks. Those 10-foot walls with electrified barbed wire had me worried when I first showed up though…
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