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Travel Planning - unmet need?

I've met a few travel-oriented startups (mostly on Pioneer) and wanted to highlight what's one of the biggest pains for us, as my wife has started planning a holiday. I would love to hear of someone with a realistic solution. We would pay at least $200 pa for something that made this easier than my spreadsheets.

We're trying to plan a multi-week EU holiday including visiting family in the far North of Scotland.

Just to start with, considering that leg, we are juggling ferries, choice of airport, how to get from one to the other.

Holiday planning is often not about planning optimal routes but looking for most enjoyable and that often makes things much more complicated.

For example, the amazing Seat61 says this is the "World's best train journey"
https://www.seat61.com/west-highland-line.htm

So now I am trying to work out if we could include that. A viable option is to do a one-way car hire from Fort William to Inverness, keeping the car for the entire duration of visiting my brother (sometimes it's a lot cheaper to do a single one-way hire and have a car sitting idle for 2-3 days than to incur the cost of two one-way penalties).

We would at least have to align times for flight arrival, transfers, train, car hire and ferries. That's just in the first 2 days!

Just putting this out there in case anyone amazing is working on it and has something usable within the next few months.

I don't think this necessarily needs to be a scraper - it could be something where I just drop a bunch of proposed legs in and it does the juggling for me. Or, even better, prompts "you need a way to get from X to Y within this time frame".

on April 3, 2022
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    Speaking of travel planning... I recently saw an article about this, and there was a list of useful apps and tips on how to make your trip more comfortable. I liked it and I think it is a real must have for every traveler. I can share if you are interested https://esim-man.com/the-best-apps-for-travelers-in-2023/

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      Thanks, always good to see useful travel articles. Funnily enough, my experience with eSims in Europe was extremely discouraging.

      So thanks also for reminding me I intended writing an article about it!

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    Hey Andy - I know I’m a few months late on this one but I’d love to chat with you about my project http://planharmony.com. I don’t yet have a couple of the features you mentioned but working towards a few of them and would love to pick your brain

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      Hi Mike, sorry just went into this thread to respond to another comment and realised my response to you was still sitting there as a draft. I've reached out via twitter DM as I prefer to not broadcast my email here.

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    This is a topical issue. Some prefer not to waste time planning their trip and buying tours from a travel agency. But I prefer to search for cheap flights and buy tickets myself. I recently found these Myflightsearch reviews and decided to check out the website they were talking about. After I compared prices with other websites, I decided to book myself a flight to Barcelona for the weekend. It was a wonderful weekend.

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    Travel planning is necessary if you want to spend not a lot of money. I love to travel and try to do it as often as possible. Can anyone advise me a good website for searching cheap flights?

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    Hey Andy!

    I'd love to tackle this problem. Do you have time to either chat with me on a quick call to talk about your needs or idea or send over more notes of what you're looking for? Thanks! :)

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      Can make time for a chat next week, am very busy with a Touchgram release the next few days as well as the added load of travel planning (ironic). We had to book our flights and lock down the start/end dates but have a few weeks for the rest.

      I'm still planning the first week in Scotland and it's been an interesting example of the kind of juggling I'm talking about.

      For different legs of the trip, there's a need to build up different scenarios and comparing them should be easy.

      With my spreadsheets, I typically plan the routes via Google Maps and save them and then save pictures of them into a big Evernote note so I've got at least the basic route if we find ourselves offline. We try to buy local SIM cards for data to have maps working, and use Google Maps app offline mode to have cached the maps for the areas. When estimating drive times, I've consistently found if Apple Maps says longer than Google then it's more likely to be right, especially on twisting roads. I save drive times and add an allowance for sightseeing stops - that's going to be much bigger when it's a road you can pull over on with decent views, compared to 5 hours on a freeway.

      Planning

      We have a hard "start point" of arriving in Glasgow at 12:45.

      We want to be at my brother's house the next day.

      There are two ferry routes to his island, one route with a 10:30 and then 17:30 departure. The other route has a 14:10 departure.

      Option 1

      The rail journey we'd like to take is from 8:30 to 12:30 but if we take that we would need to get a one-way hire car from a regional town. That seems difficult - only one provider offers that service and we're waiting to hear back from them. If we take the railway, we need to stay overnight the first night in Glasgow. That scenario means the next day will be a bit pressured:

      • rail 8:30 to 12:30
      • time to get hire car
      • drive to ferry by 17:00 (3 - 4 hrs drive depending on stops), need to be there 1hr prior ferry leaving to ensure meet checkin by 45mins prior depart

      Option 2

      The alternative is to hire a car from Glasgow and follow much of the same journey.

      • This gives us the flexibility to stay outside Glasgow the first night, so can do part of the journey then
      • enables catching the earlier ferry via different route the next day (get there by 13:10) - attraction of arriving in late afternoon rather than after dinner & closer to sunset
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        Hi Andy, kindly book a call here: www.tinyoakstudio.com/call

        I do have some ideas mocked up~

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    Very interesting problems to solve. I am working on an app for planning a trip too. I am using it for my upcoming trip. But my app cannot solve routes optimizations but focusing on planning time and places for the trip instead. Do you want to give it a try? ::)

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      Very happy to give it a try. I'm not after something that optimizes routes but just makes it easy to juggle them after we do the research. So we need to manage a bunch of alternatives.

      For example, say we have a fixed date of a show we want to see. Typically we work backwards from that - 3 days in this city, 5 here, 3 there.

      Then I need to work out how we will get between them - are we using trains? If so, how do we get from the station to accomodation? Is there a metro, or just use taxi/Uber? That's normally a detail we'd leave until later but you can't ignore it, otherwise you find yourself with suitcases and 4 hours to kill in a city.

      That scenario of the trip to Scotland might end up anchored around the limited rail journey times and the ferry times, working out if we need to spend a night somewhere on the way. Getting flights that align funnily enough is often easier than the rail trips, as there are many options of flights arriving at given times.

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    Someone recommended rome2rio but it's basically another trip search site. I need a trip manager

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    Check out https://planmoretrips.com. It is a Chrome extension that lets you save flight and hotel options from any site. It's like Pinterest for traveling.

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      that site doesn't seem to work anymore