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What I learned from the first hour of launching on Product Hunt

A year ago Product Hunt released an update to give new products a 'level playing field' for the first few hours of launch.

The disclaimer reads, "For the first 4 hours of the day, we're hiding upvotes to help every product get a chance to catch your interest".

But just how fair is this update, anyways?

A few weeks ago I launched my first product on Product Hunt. For the first hour of launch, I refreshed the page every few minutes to see how other products were doing with votes.

To my surprise I noticed that most products, including mine, still have their vote count visible. Only a subset of products had a little "–" below the upvote icon, to hide the upvote count.

Here's the kicker: these products may not have the upvote count, but they were already featured on a "Top products launching today" wall on the homepage.

What resulted was two sets of products: a shortlist of "featured products" on the front page that was given a 'level playing field' amongst each other, and all the other "non-featured" products.

My hypothesis when I first saw this in action was that "featured" products don't really benefit from hidden vote counts – they're on the front page from the very first minute and thus already have an uneven advantage.

I decided to test this out. After the first hour, I tallied up what % of top-performing apps (by # of votes) were "featured" versus "non-featured".

Results:

  • All but one of the 16 "featured" products had more than 10 upvotes in the first hour. The average was 33 votes / product.

  • By contrast, only 5 "non-featured" products had more than 10 upvotes in the first hour. The average was 30.6 votes / product. [1]

Featured products had about 10% higher average upvotes in the first hour. And the extremes were even wider (some had more than 60 votes by the first hour).

More surprisingly, featured products outnumbered non-featured in the top-performing list by 3x.

This could be because they did better launch prep. But could also be correlated to being featured on the homepage.

When the day ended, I wanted to see if this head-start helped push these products into the Top 10.

Again, I tallied up the results and found that only 2 of the "non-featured" products ended up in Top 10, in contrast to 4 of the "featured" products. [2]

In the next Top 11-20, there was an even bigger ratio of featured : non-featured products.

It's unclear how this shortlist of products is decided ahead of a launch (perhaps a curation by the PH team of products they predict they do well. May even be based on the Hunter and Maker's reputation).

But one thing was very clear: making it into this shortlist gives products an outsized advantage for the first few hours, which propels them even further up in the final end-of-day rankings.

Product Hunt launches can already be a bit unfair given time zone differences and existing communities around a company or maker.

So I hope this little post gives other indie makers an insight on just how important – and imperfect – those first few hours of launch are.

Don't underestimate the value of announcing your launch everywhere as soon as the clock hits midnight Pacific, and try to ensure there is a group of people awake and willing to support your product in the first hour.

It might just be the difference between a failed [3] versus life-changing product launch.

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[1] Dataset (in no order) was [18, 77, 31, 25, 11, 17, 52, 42, 23, 62, 20, 28, 64, 14, 14] votes for 15 of the 16 featured products, and [35, 11, 20, 40, 47] votes for the 5 'non-featured' products that cracked more than 10 votes in the first hour.

[2] For PH rankings on January 11th, 2024. Non-featured: Olly, hoopsAI. Featured: Hey calendar, GPT Auth, Feather, Prompt Whisperer. The remaining ones in the Top 10 weren't launched in the first hour.

[3] Define this by your own standards. My first PH launch, TemplateAI, did better than I expected but still failed as per my own goals.

on January 22, 2024
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    Does the quality of upvotes matter? e.g. someone who created an account yesterday vs a regular on product hunt?

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      YES, a lot! Do NOT get new accounts to upvote your product.

      For starts, PH removes votes from new accounts, period. I saw this happen with a few votes on my product. Don't be surprised if your vote count drops by a few numbers across the day.

      Second, PH has some really strong voting ring detection mechanisms. It can flag out accounts that always upvote the same products and have no other activity. (This is actually quite easy to detect, it's a graph problem -- imagine if users were "red nodes" and products were "black nodes". You can easily tell when 5 red nodes link out to the same 3 black nodes and nothing else. Ideally you want each red node (user) linking out to (upvoting) different kinds of black nodes (products).

  2. 2

    Considering this knowledge, what would you personally change in your next launch?

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      1. Schedule launch in advance and cold email team at PH nicely to let them know about the product.
      2. Reach out to people in Asia and other better time zones for the early hour support
      3. Focus more effort on other launch channels. Ultimately PH didn't have the ROI I wanted
      1. 1

        love it! thanks for sharing.

        which other "launch channels" do you recommend?

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          I may write a separate short post on this.

          TL;DR:

          • Reddit has great ROI. A post in a 100k subreddit that gets 10+ upvotes can get you between 3k-10k post views. Conversion to link clicks will be about 1-3% so expect 30-300 landing views.

          • A post in a 1m subreddit can be 10x that. So focus your effort on the latter.

          • IndieHackers seems to have low 'top-of-level' traffic but good interactions (eg this post has 130 views as of writing and 11 likes and 13 comments). But expect very little traffic to your landing.
            (As a counter to this, I actually just checked out BlueDot and it looks amazing. Kudos on making the product. Beautiful landing page, great problem solved. Wonder if you've added in the new Whisper v3 model for transcription)

          • PH seems like a zero-sum, 'winner take all' game. The best ones do great and get good coverage elsewhere. Others get hidden in the dust. If you don't crack any leaderboards, expect traffic in single digits per day.

          • I don't have an X following but others seem to do well there. I also haven't tried press coverage / reaching out to bloggers but I might for a more established product. Takes effort but you only need one to take off before the other writers / journalists want a piece of you

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            Thanks for sharing all of this. Extremely helpful.

            Yep, it's the updated Whisper :)

            With regards to Reddit, I'm currently trying to figure it out and just posted in the productivity channel yesterday. The post got 400 upvotes and 150K views.

            However the post isn't product-related, so it's more about harvesting karma.
            https://www.reddit.com/r/productivity/comments/19en0rt/go_to_sauna_23_times_a_week_my_best_productivity/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

            Still not sure how to directly sell via these posts. They ban posts with links immediately.

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              Wow. Amazing traction, with such a simple post!

              Definitely not easy to market with Reddit. Try targeting subreddits that are okay-ish with self-promotion (like r/SideProject, r/SaaS). Sometimes you can also wait for a post to blow up and then append your project link nicely, with a "PS: ..."

  3. 1

    Your insightful analysis of Product Hunt's update sheds light on the nuances of product launches, revealing potential advantages for "featured" products. The correlation between homepage features and early upvotes raises important considerations for indie makers. Your practical advice on leveraging the initial hours is a valuable takeaway, offering strategic insights for a successful launch. A must-read for fellow indie makers navigating the challenges of product launches.

    1. 1

      hmm this screams ChatGPT

  4. 1

    great insights, thanks for adding the helpful data.

  5. 1

    Fascinating. I’m going to definitely consider this for our MVP launch.

  6. 1

    Thanks for the insights. I didn't launch my site to PH yet. But I'm doing good revenue wise.

    1. 1

      What's the product? And how did you find early customers?

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        https://www.pentaclay.com

        It's actually a design subscription agency.
        I found clients from X, IH, Reddit, Dribbble and posting on directory sites.

  7. 1

    I've multiple people reach out to me for upvoting my launch for a fee, not saying people do that, but was surprised that it is a possibility too.

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      This is quite common. I wouldn't engage with it, PH has some very strong detection mechanisms for fraudulent votes and chances of your product getting taken off / you getting banned are high.

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