I might be getting old or something, but I can't figure out why there seems to be a growing number of paid communities, and more specifically why people actually pay for them. There are, for example, 10+ clones of IH communities, but this one is the best. There are communities for podcasters, for Saas founders, for remote workers and nomads...etc.
When a community comes bundled with a few different products that one might pay for anyway, and the community aspect is a nice touch on top, that I understand. But I really struggle to understand why paid communities are a thing.
Btw, I have no bias to them one way or the other, but can someone please help me understand paid communities, maybe so I could develop a bias? It's hard to have an opinion about something you do not understand.
Figure this, a person creates an awesome product that everyone loves. People are clamoring for it, because they’re getting so much value out of it. They thank the creator or founder for the product and give the creator all the lauding and praise.
But there’s only one problem. The founder is not being paid.
After a while, with no way to monetize their business/tool, they eventually decide to shut it down.
The same thing goes for paid communities like Weekend Club, Starter Story and Ness Labs. There is always going to be a person managing the communities, and whether this person is visible to outsiders or not, they are the lifeline of these communities. They help create meaningful conversations, engage with community members and make sure that the community feels welcoming to those who decide to join it.
In another vein, think of the paid community as an investment. Having a paid structure means that the community builder can actually make a living out of managing the community, instead of relying on volunteers who might have little time to dedicate themselves to the community.
Moreover, having a paid and gated community just changes the quality of discussions generally, because people seeking to make a quick buck and promote their tools literally need to pay to get into the community first.
Source: I pay for some communities, and the discussions and friends I make there make the investment worth it. I'm not saying that free forums like IH or Reddit are any less great, but they provide a different function.
Love it. You have a very kind heart. For some reason, I've assumed that free content on the internet has become so abundant, people wouldn't sign up to pay for a creator's living this way. It makes sense though.
Aw, thanks, man! Definitely made my evening 😊. Yeah, community managers and builders are really undervalued, in my opinion. Clout doesn't pay the bills.
Remember Klout? It literally did not pay the bills :D
Haha, Klout. I feel old.
For some platforms, we want them to be available to anyone, no matter their background. Maybe it's educational content and we want anyone to be able to access it
I like the approach from @sergiomattei with Makerlog! Run ads so the platform is available to anyone, and give people the option to pay to remove ads, and to get extra perks
Yeah, def. Ads are a necessary evil for some publications and communities to survive.
You make very valid points. It reminds me of why I pay for UI component suites rather than use open source alternatives. Support is fantastic, updates are frequent and large, bugs that are reported get fixed in the next release, and I have confidence that development is not going to stop when the owner gets married and has a child. Everything you don't get with free alternatives.
Which UI components suits are you paying for ?
For desktop development, DevExpress. It comes with a good javascript framework called DevExtreme as well.
wow that's some expensive jquery ! =)
$499?
I bill way more than that for a day's work, so consider it a bargain. But then, my javascript is weak, so I like off-the-shelf that just works without tweaking. I'm working with the Vue implementation of the same component suite right now and find it a breeze to use.
Highcharts, now that's pricey. ($1300 per dev) But a number of the corporate clients I've worked with have team licenses.
Solo developers are generally not the target market for commercial javascipt components, as they tend to be very much in side project mode, and don't like paying.
Cheers, Darren!
👋 Kirill. Late to the party but just wrote this: Trends #0014 — Paid Communities
🔍 Problem
Free communities tend to be noisy without a barrier to entry.
💡 Solution
Paid communities have requirements, financial or otherwise.
As Derek Sivers says, the higher the price, the more they value it.
Barriers change these groups. Members are more engaged. They aim to justify their investments. Not fuck around or troll.
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The report continues on to Players, Predictions, Opportunities and Summarized Links to dive deeper
Ministry of Testing is partly a paid community. It also runs events, previously physical conferences, but now switching to online.
We do so much for free, articles, forum, Slack, AMAs, Masterclasses/etc, even developing a friggin curriculum where much of it can be attended for free.
Our other option, apart from paid tickets that we do (and I just see events coming under the banner of 'paid community'), is to go after ad/sponsorship revenue. It's a terrible business model. You end up being in the hands of the companies. They push their agenda non-stop. Waste so much time. And ultimately drive businesses to not deliver the value that the community deserves.
MoT prides itself on doing the best it can to deliver real value with a very dedicated focus on trying to positively change the industry for software testers. With 9 employees, this does not come cheap.
So people have to pay, do do pay. Really, especially now, we need more people to support it. But they pay because the content is relevant and it can't be found elsewhere. They pay because it supports the community. They pay because it helps them become better testers. They pay because they know we invest in everyone as much as we can to create a better testing world.
And many of them pay because life without MoT would just be pretty miserable for them. They would have nowhere to gather. And they would be stuck with googling for help and only coming across shit content.
FWIW, I'm part of 4 paid communities atm. I see it as my education and sometimes just as a way to support people who deserve to be supported. I figure so many people have supported MoT with such generosity, it's only right I do the same back for other people.
First things first, do you know RainforestQA? I bet they might want to advertise on MoT ! Happy to help connect.
I love your response, and see a pattern emerge from other responses. It seems paid community really makes a lot of sense for professional groups. Whenever people want to learn a new skill, improve, and be surrounded/learn from groups who are doing similar things, paying for access makes sense.
p.s. So glad that IH is owned by Stripe and your metrics aren't financial :) #freeforever
RainforestQA, yup. Conversations were had. Again, another example of potential supporters/advertisers wasting our time that would have been better off focused on serving the community. And just so it's clear, I don't mean this in a bad way for RainforestQA. It's just how marketing works.
We do have some sponsors (we don't chase them), but tbh it makes much more sense focusing on selling tickets/memberships than chasing sponsors for money.
Put another way, I'd much prefer to pay to become part of a community than to a pay for an online course. I know, as a fact, that I learn from being active within communities. Yet I rarely ever complete an online course.
The only thing I could think of is this analogy: if you organize a party and ask people to RSVP at no cost, there is a lot of network effect that tends to determine if people show up. "Didn't cost anything, are you going? Yeah, I know, I'm still open to do whatever. Let's see. It might rain". And then there is parties that cost €€ to get into. People are literally bought into it. Start discussing wardrobes "what will you wear? Let's ride together". Etc.
Money buys buy-in.
If it's free, you need critical mass. Critical mass can hardly be bought. People then often only come to get, rarely bring.
Nice thought-starter though!
I love this analogy!
I paid $30 a month to Fizzle for over a year mostly because I enjoyed their podcast. I went through a few of their video tutorials, like the one on blogging but mostly I liked Corbet, Chase, Steph & crew and wanted to support their work.
Providing something useful and/or entertaining is probably the most important factor, but affinity for the creators is also a huge factor.
Curious, how much do you think is utility vs. entertainment value that you value most? Is it 80% useful and 20% entertaining, or more like the other way around, where even if you did not use any of the knowledge from the course, you'd still subscribe because it's fun to be a part of?
I did often get something useful from the podcast, though less than from Courtland's. It was more entertaining. Most importantly, it just made me want to support them. Chase in particular, is a highly charismatic person and it's hard not to want to see him win. Sadly, he quit the show :/
Their tutorials (i.e., the thing we were supposed to be paying for) were 100% utilitarian. They were well made and had a few entertaining moments but they were really all about the knowledge transfer.
If an expert in a particular topic creates the community, markets the community, and adds a lot of their expertise, then they can decide to put up a pay wall and charge money for it. It's basically their business in the community format. This is a scalable method of knowledge transfer compared to one-on-one consulting or coaching.
Also, some customers prefer to enter an exclusive community and are willing to pay for someone else to do the filtering. For example, a dating website meant for professionals can charge a monthly fee for access to their filtered community.
To understand more why people pay for subscriptions in general, I recommend the book The Automatic Customer. In it, the author presents nine different types of subscription business models and how customers benefit from them.
Thanks , I will take a look into the book!
I'm not a member of a community that I pay monthly for. However, I can see some value. The biggest is that everyone there is serious about whatever topic the community is about. Very few people are going to spend money on something they have at most a small casual interest in. This cuts out background noise, and improves the kind of advice and support you'll get from fellow community members.
Thanks! It seems that indeed, pay-to-play introduces some kind perceived value that is not otherwise apparent. It's a good trick to know!
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Yeah, very likely. That's why I am asking the question. Some of these feelings are just so unnatural to me, I want to know how it impacts others. Thanks!