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Would you build a landing page to validate a problem?

Hey!

I'm currently validating an idea by reaching out to relevant people and talking to them. I can tell that I'm still in the problem validation phase.

At the same time I can see that maybe I could've built a landing page where I'd outline my solution to the problem, so I can start collecting emails. It would give me a list of people to reach out to and do pre-sales for the final idea validation.

What stops me from building a landing page (even if it'll take a day to design/build) is that I'm still validating a problem. So a solution I'd outline on a landing page would be for a problem that is still being validated.

So I'm wondering if the landing page can be used in such a phase to do the validation as it'd describe a solution to potentially made-up problem. Or this is exactly the point – to see if there is interest to the solution, hence the problem is real?

What do you think? Am I overthinking this?

Interested to hear your thoughts.

Thanks!

posted to Icon for group Ideas and Validation
Ideas and Validation
on February 4, 2023
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    I think it's a good idea to build a landing page. But on the other hand, what else could show your product better than the product itself? I am a strong advocate of building the MVP first and then building anything else on top of that. Landing page is fine but most of the users (even if they give you their email address) won't come back. With MVP, they would be more likely to come back/it might be easier to interact with them. Just my two cents.

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      Thanks for sharing!

      Yeah, in the past I tried to make MVP but I can see that without talking to people I couldn't make it work. So this time my goal is to get pre-sales even I know this is hard before building anything.

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    I suggest creating a landing page using yep(yep.so). To validate your idea, ask users to sign up for the waitlist or pay for the product.

    Yep is simple and fast. Perfect for validating.

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      Yep looks interesting for 1 quick landing page. 👍 For multiple carrd looks better.

    2. 2

      Wow this site looks really cool. Will check it out! Do you know of any similar services too so I can check them out? I know people often mention carrd or getting hands-on with Webflow...

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        No Jay, will share with you If I know any in future.

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      Thanks for sharing! Will try on some upcoming projects!

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      Looks great.

      Maybe because server is far away from me, but website loading takes about a minute for me.

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    100%

    That's what I did (here's mine tweetflowearlybird.com) and I'm currently in the process to validate my idea.

    The goal is to not work on something that won't get users. If you can attract user before even building it, I think you drastically improved your odds of creating a valuable product that will sell.

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      About twitter DM bot, I also have this idea, but as far as I know, twitter has strict control over a large number of DM, especially if the content is repeated, it is easy to block the account. Are you sure this is a good idea?

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        Agreed - that's why I think the content has to change and be personalized, and not go out all at once.

        Also, the Twitter guidelines might change with Musk constantly making changes, so it's definitely something to keep in mind.

    2. 1

      Thanks for sharing!

      Yeah, that's definitely resonates with me!

      Can you share how things are going for your project? Where do you find traffic on your landing page? What are your goals in terms of traffic/signups?

      Thanks!

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    The first test = are there already other players trying to solve that problem? (even if not in the same way as the one you're considering). If not, you might have an idea in search of a problem instead of a genuine issue which needs to be solved.

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      This is true! This is why I chose a problem validated by others 🙈

      Thanks!

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    Here are my quick and dirty thoughts:

    • people don't show up just because another website goes up. You'll need action to bring them there
    • people showing up (or not) to your landing page is nice data... but it might be data about how popular / well-known you are, or how well you can hustle... not just how good your idea is
    • getting people to a low-commitment activity like opening your landing page and maybe sign up is a nice small ask
    • if you do get them to look... remember: you have three seconds

    hope that helps!

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      Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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    Testing is really good to assess whether we are onto something useful or not. I hope my post helps. Good luck. Phil… https://abitgamey.substack.com/p/testing-our-business-ideas

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      Phil, thanks for sharing!

      This post is gold! I love when people explain their validation process in such details, it is so helpful.

      Thank you!

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    Yes, build the landing page as if you already validated the solution. The landing page is there to aid you in validating the product and not to market it.

    Plus, it will save you a lot of time explaining, and you can scale it by sharing it in different groups.

    Make sure that your landing page addresses the following:

    1- What is the problem you are trying to solve?
    2- Who are you trying to solve it for?
    3- How are you trying to solve it?
    4- What are the results they will get once they solve it?
    5- When you have it, how can they get started?

    At the end of the landing page, have just 1 field to collect emails, so you can send them progress updates.

    Once you know that it's a problem that people want to solve, then optimize the copy and your CTA (Sign up for early bird/LTD/Presale, etc...) so it becomes much more relevant to your market.

    Good luck ✌️

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      Thanks, that definitely makes sense!

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    I think it's very important to use landing page to validate your solution. It can save you a lot of time and money

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      Thank you! That's my hope as well!

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    I believe it to be super important to share a "visual" landing page explaining the problem you intend to tackle and the solution you offer 💯

    You'll this way be able to:

    • gather better feedback
    • persuade more easily
    • reduce misinterpretations of your pitch
    • get unexpected offers/opportunities
    • allow others to share your idea with their audiences

    Also, make sure that launching a landing page doesn't take you more than 2-3 days.
    I used to use services such as https://carrd.co and am right now working on a fully integrated solution to help you validate your idea with landing with much less effort (https://stimpack.io)

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      Cool, thanks for reply and sharing!

      So, you validate your idea with landing page, right? Can you share how things are going? Where you take traffic for your landing page, what are your goals in terms of traffic/signups? Super interesting to hear that!

      Thanks!

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        You're welcome! Well, you set up your landing page so you can explain your value proposition: the problem you're trying to solve, your solution, how it works, and why we should choose yours instead of someone else's 🤷‍♂️

        You have to talk to people: you start building an audience, on Twitter, Linkedin, Reddit, or any other social channel. While talking to them, you ask them for feedback, your goal is to know if your proposition has the potential to bring revenue. They help you validate 🎯. Right now working on a startup that helps with that.

        You can also set up metrics and KPIs regarding traffic/conversions; however, there is no need to have them with a non-validated idea.

        If you're interested in more, feel free to DM me, or follow me on Twitter where I tweet a lot about how to empower makers and help them validate-launch their projects fast 🚀 -> https://twitter.com/SaidAitmbarek

  10. 2

    I feel like I fell into this trap when I first started building. The problem with landing pages, is they don't really build any respect with people and it's hard to take you seriously. Sometimes it honestly just feels like spam. I think it's better to think about what's the smallest product you can build that provides value to validate your idea. If it takes too long to build the simplest MVP, I'd suggest working on a different idea, but I think most ideas can really be condensed and should be if you are an indiehacker.

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      I see, thanks for sharing!

      At the same time landing page can help to see if I can overcome a risk of not being able to bring relevant traffic to the landing page once (if) a solution is built.

      So I guess I need to check and see how it works 😇

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        It’s easier to bring people to a product than a landing page

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    I say it depends entirely on what your product/idea is... What's the problem?

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      I'm into helping people to build directory websites, grow, and monetize them so they can earn money from it.

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        Well if you need some case studies for your website landing page, I’d be interested! But like others said a landing page and tracking analytics is the best way. However, unless you plan on ad spending, then you’ll only track organic traffic which might be extremely low with no SEO or ads in the beginning.

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          Speaking of case studies, feel free to DM me in Twitter 😇

          Yeah, traffic is a "challenge accepted" thing.

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    I am also validating my idea. When I spoke to other founders, they suggested to do a market research first.
    I created a form like this: https://forms.gle/xhMLUud6TbsC9ddB8
    The next step was to get as many responses as possible.

    They asked me to get responses on my own and not hire anybody to do that. Their hypothesis was that if I am not able to reach out to my target segment with a survey, i won't be able to reach out to them in a real business scenario. And actually that made sense to me.

    Hope this helps.

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      Thanks that makes sense! Thanks!

      So, how things are going? How do you find people to reach out to?

      Thanks!

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    Yes I would and I’ve done something similar. Start with a basic page that speaks to the pain you’re solving. Capture wait list emails. As you engage with your target customers you’ll get a better and better idea what to build. Keep revamping your message and add a bit more detail. You should a reflection in signup conversions as you hone your message from what you’ve learned.

    I’m writing about this in my newsletter tomorrow . As I did the above and it led to 400+ signups as l honed my messaging.

    You can check it out on ProductFoundry.co. I’ll be posting it there tonight and it’ll be emailed tomorrow.

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      Thank you! Will definitely do the landing!

      Will search from that story from you about 400 signups. Let me know if you can share a link, or if you haven't shared that story. Super interested to see how you've got the traffic and what was the goal (both from traffic and signups).

      P.S.: Subscribed to the newsletter!

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    I am currently trying to validate my idea with a landing page, https://watchmymoney.co, and I have to tell you this is a great method before going all in.

    Currently, my idea is invalidated as I am not getting enough signups. Strangely enough, I love it. Because I did 3-4 different projects where I built the MVP and tried to find users - I ultimately failed to validate my idea. Now, I feel like I've gained 3-4 months of my time.

    You should create a landing page outlining your solution and reach out to people you think might have this problem.

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      I can really relate to that feeling of being happy even if idea is invalidated!

      How had you got the traffic to your landing? What was the target traffic/signups goal to consider idea valid and what was the actual result?

      Thanks!

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        I am running ads on google to drive traffic.

        Well so far I have only 5 signups out of 25 clicks. Even if I collect 100 signups after 20 weeks (!), I would be looking at 20-30 customer at most (assuming %20-30 conversion from joinlist to customer). The price of the product will be $15 at best, which means $300-$450 mrr.

        I can't put 3 months of work for this potential.

        So in my case, the problem is the small market size & low product price, which means I need lots of customers.

        I might be wrong with my method, this is my first time also trying to go with validation before building the product.

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    So if I got your post right, you want to validate a product for which you got the problem, but not the solution yet, right?

    I think you could still create a landing page that describes the problem, and ask people for a beta sign up. IMO, beta sign-up pages might not necessarily describe the solution to their problem completely accurate.

    I personally would go for it :) good luck! Worst that can happen is that you gather a bunch of E-Mails you don‘t use. Ideally you also host the page for free how we did it with Excelly-AI

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      Thanks for the response!

      I've got the problem, but I'm still validating it. Solution feels pretty straightforward but only if I got the problem right. So this is where my hesitation comes from: if I do a landing page and I haven't got a problem right, the solution will be off.

      But I also feel that landing page and solution can be adapted according the discoveries I get both from continuing talking to people and from discussions I get from the landing page (from people who left emails).

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    Just almost possibly out of the early validation phase as we signed our first paying customer, so this is fresh in my memory. (Much more validation to come)

    It was nice to have a landing page in my email signature when reaching out to people, but 9/10 of the times I wouldn’t have needed it. However, it can bring some legitimacy into the mix if it’s well done.

    In one case I know that a lead ”got the idea” from the landing page by clicking my email signature as they mentioned that the product looks ”very interesting” although I didn’t yet pitch it properly in my email.

    But really, just booking 10-20 of discovery calls will get you further than building a landing page in the very beginning in my opinion. If someone’s really interested and asks for a landing page, build it after that in one evening and send the link to that person.

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      Thanks! This is super-interesting and valuable!

      Do you document your journey somewhere (like Twitter, etc.)?

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    I had the same question myself - but the conclusion I came to was that in any case you need to drive traffic to the landing page. So it depends how you would go about that.

    If you're starting with a cold email outreach / or direct messaging- while it would add credibility, the landing page doesn't matter much, because you can just gauge the interest based on the responses to the messages.

    If you're starting with something else like ads, which need a place to actually capture the leads, then the landing page is more essential.

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    Building a landing page to outline your solution can be a great way to gauge interest in your idea and get people on your list. Don't overthink it, just trust your gut!

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    I think landing pages are a great way to drive early interest and solicit feedback. I had a simple idea the other day I posted to reddit, and to my surprise, everyone was super skeptical of the idea because I didn't provide enough upfront explanation of who I was and what I was doing. Reasonable but valuable feedback going forward.

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    I believe creating a landing page is a smart move. What else, on the other hand, might demonstrate your product more effectively than the thing itself? Building the MVP first, then adding additional functionality on top of it, is something I fervently support. Even if consumers give you their email address, most of them won't return to your landing page. They would be more inclined to return if you had MVP, and you might find it simpler to communicate with them<a href="https://mybankinginformation.com/does-ralphs-accept-ebt/">.</a>Just my opinion.

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    Building a landing page in the early stage of problem validation can be a valuable tool to validate both the problem and the solution. A landing page can help you present a solution to a potential problem in a visually appealing way, and it can also help you gauge interest in your solution. By collecting email addresses, you can reach out to potential customers and get their feedback, which can help you determine if the problem you are trying to solve is real and if there is demand for your solution.
    However, it's important to remember that building a landing page in the early validation stages may lead to premature optimization. You should only invest time and resources into building a landing page if you are confident that the problem is real and that the solution you are proposing will solve it.

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