
SliceWP
Affiliates Program Manager Plugin for WordPress
Recently we celebrated our very first sale (https://www.indiehackers.com/product/slicewp/we-have-our-very-first-customer--M0vU64bg4yzQC6OB0b6). Also, in the meantime we managed to onboard a couple more customers, which really really boosted our morale.
However, the time has come. We had our first refund request and, in the end, decided to process it.
I say "decided", because we contemplated if it would be fair to honor this request.
Here's what happened...
To start, and for more context, I'm a strong believer that "no questions asked" money back policies are detrimental for new businesses. This is the time where you want to gather as much feedback as possible.
Furthermore, we're in the WordPress plugins business. With so many combinations of themes, plugins and servers, unexpected issues can occur.
Which is what happened with this customer.
He opened a single line support ticket about a certain problem. A single line of text, without much context about the problem.
Nevertheless, within a couple of hours I tested the feature, which worked on my end. I got back to him letting him know this and at same time offered to assist him technically so we can get to the bottom of this.
I know technical issues can occur frequently in the WordPress world, so we're committed to solve any problems. These problems could affect other customers, so it's in everyone's best interest to solve them.
Not a word back from him until the next day, when he asked for the refund. I insisted with offering technical help, while also letting him know the refund is on the table.
He got back with a simple "call me".
Now, we're based in Europe, he isn't. The cost for such a call could surpass our product's price, so it wasn't really an option. So, I let him know this and offered a call through Skype or any other service.
Haven't heard back.
At this point my thoughts were that we did our best to help and at the same time didn't really consider it to be fair to honor the refund.
(I know this is a sensible are and very subjective, so feel free to share your thoughts on it.)
But, we decided to process it anyway. We're at the very start and I believe a negative review would hurt us more than losing some money.
I ended the whole process letting him know the money should be returned shortly and thanking him for trying SliceWP, which I know may sound sarcastic, but it wasn't. Even though he didn't collaborate, he did purchase a completely new product and I appreciate it.
To end this, I'd like to leave you with two things, especially if you're at the start of your product journey:
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Refunds suck. They all do, no matter if you're in business for a day, a year or a decade. They're a rejection and we're wired to be affected by rejections. But, you'll get better at managing these emotions with time, so don't sweat it. Try to learn from it.
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Offer feedback. At the other side of your email, chat bubble or whatever, is another person. If the product is small, it may be the only human behind the project. Detail your issue or your request and offer screenshots or videos. Be patient for a response. You'll help the other person help you.
It was almost midnight and I was preparing to go to bed when a support ticket came in. It was titled "Am I your first customer?".
I froze for a second before checking it. I then opened the email and went into our payment processor. Yep, it was our first customer.
And what a customer, she has been following our blog and read our transparency report ( https://slicewp.com/blog/january-2020-transparency-report/), where we detail how in our first month we managed to accumulate zero customers.
She just wanted to say hello and that she's thrilled to be able to support a brand new product. We hope we won't let you down!
So, with this news, I started jumping with my girlfriend like two school girls, and drove my sleep away.
Here's to many more!
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Many congratulations!! Getting your first customer on board is always thrilling. I just came across your blog, the writing style is very captivating. I would like to know how does affiliate marketing works for you?
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Hey Zainab, thank you so much for the kind words! To be honest, I'm quite amazed that you find my writing style captivating. Personally, I'm not sure if I have a style yet, as I'm no really comfortable writing. It's quite my Achilles' heel, but I try my best to get better.
As for the affiliate marketing question, I'm not entirely sure I understand the angle of the question. Are you referring if we have any success using affiliate marketing for our own product or being marketers ourselves to promote other products?
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Your writing style is informal and easy to understand, yet it conveys all the important information :)
I am referring to any success you have had using affiliate marketing for our own product and which resources did you use?-
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Because we're working with WordPress, we're using our very own plugin, SliceWP, to power up our affiliate program.
I've previously used 2checkout's affiliate network with another project (we use 2checkout as our payment gateway), but that was a very frustrating experience for affiliates, so I decided to create SliceWP for that particular reason.
As for any success, it's way too early to tell. Our goal in this direction is to initially keep the program private and have a few serious partners that we can work with. Making the program public is on the roadmap, but first we want to test it with just a few partners and get as much feedback from them as possible.
Affiliate programs need nurturing and it's a battle for the long run. I'll most probably write about it once we have something going on.
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Felicitari Mihai. Multi inainte!
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Merci mult! Sa fie.
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Congratulations!
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Congratulations, I've been told the first customer is always the hardest and it'll become easier now. Can't say I have much experience with that right enough.
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Thank you! I truly hope that's the case. I'll be sharing milestones as they happen, hopefully happy ones :D
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Congrats for you 1st customer and wish you reach 100 customer by end of Q1. As a WP entrepreneur I know how you feel right now :)
Hey, we can feature your product on our blog, hit me up on PM.
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Congratulations!
SliceWP looks like a wonderful product and you've done an excellent job on it! I'm happy for the quality competition; it will make us all better!
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Hey Pippin, thank you so much for the kind words! At this stage I can't really say we're much competition, but we hope to be someday.
For now we can only dream of reaching the success you've had with your products. Love where you've been able to take Sandhills Development!
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Cool product, and as a blogger and IH member I'll remember your plugin when we launch a product and want to sell it via affiliates! That's one of our goals for this year.
I empathise with the journey and the psychology of being surrounde by people! In one past business I had the exact opposite experience: "We're completely unique! There's nobody like us out there!"
But that also had the opposite implication: not enough people wanted the product 😂
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Yep, this aspect is quite difficult to nail. I believe Courtland's latest post is awesome for how to improve the whole thinking process around new products. If you haven't read it, I really recommend it: https://www.indiehackers.com/post/how-to-brainstorm-great-business-ideas-ab51c3d51c
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First post here. Gratz! Keep it going!
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We will! Thank you and welcome to the community! 👋
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Awesome. Congrats on the milestone! Keep at it.
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Will certainly do! 💪
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Congratulations! Hope there will be many more and look forward to following your journey!
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Thank you! We hope so too :D
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hell yeah! congrats, fam!
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Thank you so much!
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Congratulations, Mihai!
I remember how much of a thrill it was to get my first a couple of months ago.
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Thank you! Here's to many more! With you all the best with Zlappo.
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Congrats man, wish you many more!
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Congrats man, the first one is always the best ;-)
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Thank you so much! Especially when they know they're the first.
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Just posted your site link in some Israeli wordpress related facebook groups,
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Thank you so much for the share! I really appreciate it. If, by any chance, someone from the group has questions, let them know they can reach us anytime. We take the time to get back to everyone :D
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Congratulations, what a nice person to acquire.
I really enjoyed the article, and also enjoyed your "story" article. Best of luck with this!-
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I'm happy to hear you enjoyed our articles :D
And yep, these kind of customers are the best to have!
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Congrats man! Really good job!
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Thank you so much! Our job has just started :D
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Congratulations, many more will come! 🎉
Felicitări! 😊
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Merci mult! :D
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Congrats!
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Why, thank you!
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That's great, man I hope there'll be many more!
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Thank you so much! We hope so too :D
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Thank you!
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Thank you! :D
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Thank you so much! We still have a long long way to go :D
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We just ended our first month since going live, and it's been quite the rollercoaster.
Mostly emotions and reflection, as I wasn't expecting that it would be so difficult to get traction on a new premium WordPress plugin. Even with a free version released on WordPress' official repository, growth seems to be flat.
In short, in our first month we had 0 (zero) customers. However, here's what we learned: https://slicewp.com/blog/january-2020-transparency-report/
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Building trust around a WordPress plugin is quite hard. Due to the nature of these kind of products, it's quite hard for potential customers to get a feel of what the plugin is all about.
A WordPress plugin needs to be installed on a WordPress instance for you to actually play with it. This can be cumbersome, as not everyone has a WordPress test instance at their disposal.
To add to this, people are reticent, and for good reason, to install plugins on their live websites. The fear of something breaking is valid, especially when considering newly released plugins.
And that's why we've decided to launch our own demo website for SliceWP, where users can create their own WordPress instance, a sandbox if you will, where they can test the plugin without fearing that anything could break.
So, without further ado, here's the link to the demo: https://demo.slicewp.com/
To build your own instance just solve the simple math problem, no email address is required, and have fun.
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The IndieHackers community is really dear to my heart, as it provides so many learning opportunities from so many great people. Because of this, I wanted the first ever announcement about our latest product to be here. Mainly as a thank you for everyone that shares their journey here.
So, this is it, we're officially live!
After one year in the making, we (myself and my brother) are proud to present SliceWP, a WordPress affiliate management plugin that can help shop owners, using WooCommerce or Easy Digital Downloads, create an affiliate program in minutes.
SliceWP is a passion project that we want to nurture and grow into one of the best affiliate management plugins for WordPress. It's going to be hard, but it's also going to be fun. Welcome on our journey!
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Good luck!
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Thank you! I see you've just released your SaaS. Good luck to you too!
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All the best guys!
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Thank you so much!
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Wish you luck broz! I'm really excited to see your journey.
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Thank you so much! We'll be posting quite regularly, so please stay tuned!
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We are creating product for Woocommerce too. I wish luck to you and would like to hear news
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Wish you luck Mihai!
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I am not sure is this something milestone-worthy. I am seeing the "Milestone" section polluted more and more with some stuff most of us consider as just daily stuff.
Like "Get 100 new Twitter followers" or "finished landing page", also falls to this category in my opinion.
I don't want to discourage you or anything like that, I just feel like this section should be reserved for something more important that has a rather more significant and direct impact on your business like:
significant revenue changes, pivots, major failures, important business decisions, major feature releases etc.
Maybe "Changed our refund policy" milestone where you explain the problem you face + solution you came up with and potential impact on business would make more sense than simply processing refund which, happens each day for many of us for the first time here.
I agree, but just partially. I believe it all comes down to subjectivity. Depending on where you are in your entrepreneurial life some milestones might seem irrelevant.
For me personally, with all honesty, a vast majority of the posted milestones are irrelevant. But from time to time I find some that are golden nuggets. For me. I'm sure this is the same for other people, not everything is for everyone.
However, I try my best to appreciate everyone's efforts. This community houses entrepreneurs from small to big and each milestone is perceived personally by everyone.
In our case, our very first refund was a bad experience. It was a process that lasted close to a week (way more than other refunds I've processed for other products) and it was something that gave us food for thought. We consider this a milestone.
Refunds, especially in the WordPress space, are not worth fighting over based on my own personal experience. I've also had the "call me" request and you are lucky that interaction never ended up happening. You saved yourself a lot of time.
I honestly feel really relieved that the refund got through and it's over. At the end of the day, I don't believe this type of customer would have been a good fit for our plugin.
Refunds suck when you don't get any feedback as to what problem your customer was having. Yep, a common problem for us all.
I run a SaaS product called Sprint Boards which has been around for two years now, and we're yet to get a single line of feedback from any customer we've asked as to why they cancelled their subscription. It appears if you're happy, you don't say much; and if you're unhappy, you don't say much either ;).
That's pretty interesting to hear. With my other products I've had no issues with feedback. Usually customers were happy to provide insights or if they wanted a refund at least letting me know why they've requested it. Maybe SaaS differs from WordPress plugins in this aspect. Can't really say as I never built a SaaS.
From what we can establish, developers appear to be tougher to get feedback from (and that is the target audience for Sprint Boards) compared to other types of customers. We do ask directly, but we only ask once.
Maybe that's our problem. Too shy to ask again! ;)
To be clear, we do get feedback, but not when we've asked for it, if you understand what I mean.
This kind of messaging is a bit tough to nail. You could try to add a second email to customers that cancel, just to see how it goes. Don't be shy to ask, test it out. If you have a big enough customer base you'll most probably see results quick and be able to shift if needed.
Also, I'm sure there's some kind of emotional trigger for developers. Can't say what that is, but from what I've seen developers have quite strong beliefs when it comes to how things should work.