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November 2, 2023 Some Time Later...

Back in February, I was disappointed to learn that the industry-leading partner I most wanted to work with wasn't going to support my efforts to build a scrappy, indie payments product (surprise, surprise).

So I went on the hunt for an alternative. Sadly, while there are a great many players in the space, most of them are not currently capable of offering the kind of platform that this product needs. And for the ones that are capable, they're working extra hard to make it super difficult for a small biz to get off the ground.

Thankfully, I managed to find one - just one! - that was prepared to give me a chance. A small, London-based startup called Trilo (https://www.trilo.io/). They've taken a huge chance on me and put some time in to build a small API on top of their existing platform to enable the kind of integration I need.

And you know what: it's working!!!

I can now facilitate payments (in the GBP & UK-only banks for now) between a customer and a merchant with reasonably high limits (think 'thousands' of Β£).

So I'm reinvesting some time into Spred to see where it goes. Right now, my very hacky PHP-script soup is being converted into a 'proper' Laravel app. I'm streaming the build over on YouTube, making a little progress every Friday.

If you're running a business in the UK, come sign up for the beta:
https://just-spred.com/

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February 3, 2023 We've hit a bit of a snag...

I found out this week that the Open Banking partner I really want to use (Plaid) has determined that the product I want to build in Spred is at some next level of requirements in order for them to feel like there's "financial incentive".

Despite being very clear with them from the get-go what I'm trying to build, it's taken them almost 2 months to figure it out and clearly explain the solution that I would require from them.

On top of that, they now want to make it almost prohibitively risky for me to get going.

This means that for there to even be a chance to get this off the ground, I really need to go hard on getting folks to commit OR go and get a reasonably huge chunk of cash.

These are both really annoying things because they're a distraction. They're going to keep me from building the product itself.

At least with trying to get some pre-release customers on board, I'll technically have some customers... but without a product, I'll be on a short leash to make sure something comes of it swiftly.

My gut says Plaid and the surrounding processes to get this going might take a little too long for some of those businesses to swallow and the worst part is that Plaid have now become a liability - I just don't know what they will turn up with next.

Quite a frustrating week overall. Honestly, it's really knocked me back.

But on the plus side, a buddy who I worked with a long time ago has been in touch and is quite excited by the potential of the product and the idea. He has a lot of connections, good ideas and insight and it will be awesome to have him on this project.

I'm meeting up with him in a couple of weeks, so let's see what happens.

Ultimately, I'm still confident that there's a solid product here and there's still a good opportunity to go after, it's just turning out to be a steeper hill to climb now that we've reached the foot of the mountain.

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January 27, 2023 Set up a mailing list lickety-split

I just created a mailing list for Spred in about 5 minutes.

Nothing fancy, no custom domain stuff set up. Just create the list and use Mailcoach's built-in website to drive subscribers to.

Added a link to the final step in my marketing site's funnel.

This feels like it will be a valuable channel, so it's worth having, but I didn't want to spend loads of time putting a solution together.

Now I can move on to something else that has more value right now: building the functionality.

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January 25, 2023 One little release

I haven't had much time since last week to work on Spred, but I did just squeeze in today a review of some updated copy for the 'How it works' page which provides a little detail on how I plan for Spred to handle Refunds, Chargebacks and Fraud.

Hopefully this gives some more folks a little more confidence about what the product is going to be capable of.

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January 20, 2023 πŸ¦Έβ€β™€οΈ Superhero Early Adopters Program

I'm going to try something really radical (for me) here on IH that I'm slightly afraid of: being fully transparent about what's happening with Spred, almost day by day.

So the biggest challenge for me right now is the catch-22 of whether to build the product or prove if it's viable, and there's an important reason that that's a problem for me at this specific moment:

I have no day-job (I'm doing a bit of freelancing and consulting, but that's really hand to mouth right now) and the cost of getting Spred to even be a viable product is going to set me back almost $15k.

Why? Because, in order for me to get access to a Plaid production account, they require me to sign up to a minimum 12-month contract and a minimum spend of £1,000 per month 😨

With zero customers, zero funding and only a little confidence that consumers can and will be comfortable using the payment flow, it's basically impossible for me to commit to - it would just be a silly bet to make.

If I had the capital and could afford to lose $15k, I'd do it. But I'm just not in that position.

(To be fair to Plaid, they have offered to delay the first 3 months' payments to give me an opportunity to ramp up, but as far as I know right now, there's no 'get-out' clause, so that still feels super risky to commit to)

The thing I can do is build the product. But then if I can't ever get this coin together to commit and go for it, I could arguably have better spent my time on something else.

What about going for investment?

I don't have the time or energy to go after investment. Also, I'm really keen to keep this bootstrapped and independent - I've got a lot of things I want to try when one of my ideas does succeed and I don't necessarily want heavy-hitting investors vetoing my decisions.

I think keeping it indie is also going to translate to better outcomes for my customers and, in turn, their customers.

So, what are you gonna do?

Well, I am going to continue building the product for a start. I've got loads of ideas that I can flesh out and build functional demos for that will I can use later on to pitch to and trial with potential customers.

But I also thought what might be great is to get some keen early adopters and offer them a huge life-time discount for supporting the product financially so early: I'm calling it the Superhero Early Adopter Program.

If there are just 50 absolute heroes out there willing to part with just $300 (temporarily! - make sure you read that linked post for the details), that will allow me to commit to the Plaid contract and build this thing for real - in a way that they and others can benefit from sooner.

And if it doesn't work out - i.e. the product turns out not to be viable for some other unforeseeable reason - those Superheroes will get all their money back.

And though the main offer on the table here is about use of the product once it's ready, I would really like to expand on this with other ways to reward such heroic early adopters, whether they continue with the product or not!

If anyone reads this, I'd love to get your thoughts on this plan:

  • Is it enough of an offer?
  • Does it still feel risky? Why?
  • What would convince you to part with $300 temporarily to support a fellow hacker?

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  1. 2

    Hey Simon, I just watched your intro video, but couldn't figure out what's the value added here on top of Plaid? Why would someone integrate with Spred if they can just as easily integrate with Plaid?

    1. 1

      Hey @adminatic, thanks so much for taking the time to watch and read etc and for the feedback.

      It's a great question! Right now Plaid is just providing the underlying rails to make all of this Open Banking stuff easy - they're not building services on top of it. My plans for Spred go well beyond just sitting on top of Plaid - it's all about making it easy: think what Gumroad or Lemon Squeezy does for Stripe, that's effectively the kind of thing Spred will be on top of Plaid (the difference being, you won't need to bring your own Plaid account).

      And that final sentence is the real kicker - right now, Plaid requires some hefty commitments to gain access to their services (consider: Stripe is completely free and you only pay a percentage of every transaction)

      This means the barrier to entry for many individuals and businesses is going to be Plaid's cost of commitment and the inherent risk that introduces.

      With Spred, I'm trying to remove that whilst creating some value-add on top for both merchants and consumers.

      Exactly how is still TBD, and that's why I'm trying to roll out this Early Adopter program - for those who see the potential and share the vision, I believe there's a huge opportunity here πŸ™‚

January 19, 2023 Pivot One

Initially, I wanted Spred to focus only on micropayments.

While that's totally achievable as a product feature, after a couple more weeks thinking and researching, I'm not sure it's going to be a strong enough proposition to build the initial customer base.

So I made the decision to pivot and open it up to any kind of payment and hopefully make it applicable to a wider audience.

This means I'm looking for any business that currently takes payment online (or will soon take payments online) and wants to benefit from the extremely low cost of bank-to-bank payments.

Please email support@spred.helpscoutapp.com and let's chat so I can see how Spred might help your business benefit from Open Banking payments.

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January 18, 2023 Things I *didn't* do to launch my prototype in 2 days
  • Created a logo or worried about branding
  • Set up any social media accounts
  • Got all of my website copy perfect, written loads of support content or focused on SEO at all
  • Designed any web pages
  • Built for scale
  • Worried about languages, frameworks, design patterns, layers of abstraction, tests/code coverage
  • Set up a registration process

I'm not even using a database yet! 😱

What I have done:

  • Planned what the product will do and picked the first thing to build, focused on that
  • Bought a domain name or two
  • Set up an SSL certificate
  • Set out my data structure (capturing the absolute minimum data in files)
  • Set up a support mailbox (using HelpScout)
  • Set up some tracking (using Fathom Analytics)
  • Hosted on a small VM
  • Launch

Please check out Spred

36 Comments

  1. 4

    Such a great job!

    However, I had a really hard time figuring out what the product is.

    Also, it's kinda funny to say "ZERO, ZILCH, ZIP, NADA" about fees and then note that some banks may charge fees anyway.

    1. 1

      Thanks for taking the time to look at Spred @BernardBuilds. Your feedback is super helpful and I've just updated the copy to try to incorporate the various bits of feedback I've received here.

      I will keep on trying to make it super clear what Spred does and who it's for.

      I agree with your point about the bank fees, it's not ideal. But that's the sad reality - when you're making money, some people just want a piece wherever they can get it. Obviously, with these bank fees, you'll pay those on top of any card fees, chargeback fees and platform fees right now - at least with Spred, the other fees are out of the way.

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    Excellent work!! Now that's how you launch and idea. We advocate for the same kind of thing in our DIY Startup School.

    Speed and "good enough" is necessary in a lot of aspects. Where you need to spend the time and resources is in the foundation, getting to validated, and anything that serves that goal.

    One thing I would say is it's probably helpful to add a little copy to the how it works page. I shared this with my team member and she said she wants to know how Spred's doing it, but absolutely did not watch more than 10 seconds of the video πŸ˜…

    1. 2

      Thanks so much @mekkie. Yeh, I think this quick release is the best way to do it, a lesson I've learned from watching many others do so successfully.

      And that's excellent feedback. I've actually been working on more copy since that first launch, as I know it's super critical.

      Sounds like I also need to work my 3-minute video down to something a little snappier too πŸ˜‰

      Awesome awesome feedback πŸ™

      1. 1

        Always happy to give feedback!! Just ping me if there's any other way I can help in the future 😁

  3. 2

    Thanks for sharing!

    1. 1

      You're welcome. I hope it was helpful in some way

  4. 2

    Congratulations πŸŽ‰ This is a way to go!

    1. 1

      Cheers @netoff

  5. 2

    Congrats Simon, quite an achievement for 2 days of work, really!
    I'm working on a platform that'll help you even more with webapp product launch and will save you a lot of time. It could for instance have helped you with the idea validation, have created a fully functional landing page and a basic webapp boilerplate. Just saying, in case you're interested in the future!
    Cheers.

    1. 1

      Thanks for the kind words @saidaitmbarek.

      I'd love to take a look at your product... do you have a site online?

      1. 1

        Hey Simon, of course! Please have a look -> https://stimpack.io
        Don't hesitate to enroll in the alpha waitlist, we're still looking for core users.
        Cheers mate!

  6. 2

    This is great in general, but not sure when your product does something with people's bank accounts :D

    1. 1

      Glad you like it @heyjonas

      Spred is building a new way to take and make payments online. Instead of using cards, it connects to the customer's bank and sets up a payment (such as ACH/SEPA/BACS) to the recipient's bank directly.

      Funds go bank-to-bank and aren't handled by anyone in the middle. Which means it's quicker, safer and cheaper.

  7. 2

    That's the way to go: optimize for small successes rather than hard-to-achieve goals.

    1. 2

      Exactly! The quicker and smaller wins spur you on to take the next step up the mountain.

      Thanks @sandhacker

  8. 2

    Good going! Is there a plan for validating Product Market Fit in the prototype phase?

    1. 1

      @itzr thanks for your kind words 🀩

      Yes there is a plan. I'm basically building out more product features now and will post more details here on IH soon. Please follow me and/or Spred on here to keep up to date when I post more

  9. 2

    Awesome. Congrats on the quick launch. Out of curiosity, I noticed that you it uses Plaid. Won't the users just think about using Plaid instead since it offers pretty much the same benefits?

    1. 1

      Thanks @redgetan and that's a great question!

      They most certainly can and if they can afford to meet Plaid's minimums for this payments product in the UK/EU, which requires a not insignificant investment, I'd actually encourage them to do so.

      I'm also planning to offer a number of value-add features beyond just the payment mechanics to hopefully make consumer adoption easier and thus enhance the appeal of Open Banking for merchants as a payment method.

      You can liken it to Buy Me a Coffee and similar services that use Stripe under the hood - I can use Stripe myself directly, or I can let someone else do the hard work for me πŸ™‚

      Then folks have the choice.

  10. 2

    Love it, Simon. I'm bookmarking this for review after I'm done hacking together my prototype.

    1. 1

      Awesome! You have to let me know more about your product so I can take a look @DrewMeulemans

      1. 1

        Of course! Here's a thread on Twitter where I'm documenting the build-out of my web app, Habitat Scout:

        Have a mobile app in the works as well, but it's not currently the priority as it's not as straightforward to monetize.

        1. 2

          That looks super interesting! I'll keep my eye on your tweets.

          I've flirted with Flutter a little, but not for web at all, that seems a bit too new.

          Keen to see how you feel about Dart in this context - my background is very much rooted in HTML & JS, so I'm intrigued to see how you get on

          All the best with your build!

  11. 2

    Great job, Simon! You've done an incredible job of launching your prototype in two days. You kept your focus on the most important features and were able to deliver them quickly. Kudos to you!

    It's impressive that you didn't need a database yet. You've clearly thought out your data structure and have it all organised. That's a big plus!

    You also set up the SSL security to make sure it's safe and secure. And you have the support mailbox set up to help with any queries. That's awesome.

    You also have a tracking system in place to monitor user behaviour, which is great for making sure the user experience is smooth.

    Overall, you've done an amazing job in such a short amount of time. Well done!

    Have you done any post-launch analysis of your prototype?

    1. 1

      Thanks @SaLLaSaP43.

      It's performing ok. So far with friends and acquaintances trying out the payment side I've made about Β£10, and the marketing site has attracted interest from 4 potential early adopters.

      It's clear that visitors want more information, but it's not super clear exactly what they're missing yet.
      I've got a lot more to do on this front - so while that first bit of effort to get an initial prototype out there is over and done, it's onto the hard work now!

  12. 2

    Hye Simon, great post. Congrats on your launch, it is very inspiring for me to see people succeed at launching products, which is no easy task. May I ask which server do you use to host the website ? Thx in advance!

    1. 1

      Hey @santy9090 thanks for the encouragement.

      I'm using Digital Ocean to host the service right now. The website could probably be a static site tho and hosted for free on Netlify, which I may do at some point

      1. 2

        That is great info Simon. Did you build the site yourself (React, angular, etc) or did you use a no code tool to get it out so fast ?

        1. 1

          @santy9090 I built it myself. I had a pretty solid idea of what I wanted to convey already and with Tailwind I was able to literally throw something together that looked OK.

          Obviously, where it's at today has (just a little) more finesse as it's been a couple weeks since I launched the first version.

          That first version was literally a single page. I'm starting to flesh out a journey now and provide more detail. But still hand-rolling for now.

          1. 1

            That's pretty cool. And what about the backend ? Are you using Node.js or Django ? What is your approach to build scalable backend systems so fast ?

            1. 1

              It's PHP. I wouldn't say what's there is particularly scalable right now - that's one of the things o intentionally didn't want to worry about and part of how I was able to get a prototype out in such a short time.

              I am now using Laravel to build the next iteration, as that's what I'm most familiar with so it allows me to move rapidly.

              1. 1

                Cool, sounds like a smart plan to build on what you know best. Are both the backend (PHP) and the front (Tailwind) on the same netlify server or have you found it is better to split up each service to different servers to make everything easier ?

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                  Btw, also followed you on twitter to follow your journey which sounds pretty awesome :)

  13. 2

    you already made 99% more than most of people that want to launch a product (including me) lol
    keep going

    1. 1

      Thanks @Tim12 😊

      I hope I can keep going! What I need to do now is get some commitment from potential customers so that I can justify the spend needed to go and build the rest of this product

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Open Banking payments are enabling cheaper and more secure payments than ever, having the potential to massively reduce costs. Spred exists to realise this potential and help anyone looking to make money online